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President Bush- Farewell speech at 8pm tonight
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Ratickle
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That's pretty funny. I'd be celebrating too. How come no beers???:26:
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Not sure on the lying. If it's true, and there was the slightest hint of evidence, I would have thought there would have been a formal hearing in the last two years after the Dems had complete control of both houses.
The wiretapping was approved, to a degree. I really have no problem with it because it was used to try and find terrorists.
To me torture is only torture if it causes permanent physical or mental damage. So, under that criteria, what was done was not torture. That being said, if my wife, or one of my other family or friends, were being held and most likely going to be publicly beheaded for propaganda purposes. I would cause all kinds of permanent damage to anyone I caught who could tell me where she, or they, were.
The DOJ? Always has been a political office. Doesn't make it right, just the way it is. Take a look at the pardons through justice at the end of Clintons term. Purely political.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hopNAI8Pefg
This should have been his Farewell speech.You guys should go back and read the Sept 11 thread on OSO every one wanted the bombers in the air, now there are cry babies complaining about water being poured down some scumbags mouth
This should have been his Farewell speech.You guys should go back and read the Sept 11 thread on OSO every one wanted the bombers in the air, now there are cry babies complaining about water being poured down some scumbags mouth
There was a LOT of lying that got us into that war, let's look at Snopes, the arbiter of all that is true...
http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp
http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp
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The change is here.
Nobody, no how, no way and no where will ever write anything like this about dumbya.
The insight of Andrew Sullivan:
He doesn’t charm like Clinton did and Bush tried to. Unlike both men, but especially Clinton, he appears to have no need to be loved by everyone in the room. He often finds it hard to disguise how tired he feels. He is capable of evoking enormous inspiration, but he has yet to be able to hide it when he is bored. There is a wryness to his conversation and a dryness to his humor, both of which are sustained by an intellect of power. The revered liberal jurist Larry Tribe has said that in decades of teaching at Harvard Law School, he has never had a cleverer student than Obama. I don’t think he’s exaggerating. Intellectually, Obama is in Bill Clinton’s league. But what he has over Clinton is emotional intelligence to buttress his grasp of policy.
What he gets, what he seems to intuit, is how to make others feel as if they are being heard. This is simple enough in theory but hard to pull off consistently in practice. His model is to figure out what another person needs and, if it helps Obama to get what he wants, to provide it.
He sensed that Hillary Clinton needed independent respect in defeat. He couldn’t give her the vice-presidency, which she desperately wanted, because it would have given her a dangerous rival power base if they succeeded. So he offered her the next best thing, and she, unlike her husband, was smart enough to say yes.
He realised that Rick Warren was an egomaniac and wanted some kind of platform, so he gave him a largely symbolic role at the inauguration and allowed Warren to preen. He knew that what Washington pundits really craved was not the truth, but a sense of their own importance. So he let them throw him a dinner party.
He sensed that McCain was in deep emotional withdrawal after his horrifying and crude descent into raw partisanship last autumn. And so he celebrated the old, bipartisan McCain and asked for his support in the Senate.
This is not typical for politicians in any climate and era. In the post-Clinton, post-Bush divide of the US, it’s a shock of sorts, and one most Washingtonians have yet to absorb. More shocks, I suspect, are to come, as people begin to realise that the new politics Obama promised is actually more than just a marketing device for a campaign.
Nobody, no how, no way and no where will ever write anything like this about dumbya.
The insight of Andrew Sullivan:
He doesn’t charm like Clinton did and Bush tried to. Unlike both men, but especially Clinton, he appears to have no need to be loved by everyone in the room. He often finds it hard to disguise how tired he feels. He is capable of evoking enormous inspiration, but he has yet to be able to hide it when he is bored. There is a wryness to his conversation and a dryness to his humor, both of which are sustained by an intellect of power. The revered liberal jurist Larry Tribe has said that in decades of teaching at Harvard Law School, he has never had a cleverer student than Obama. I don’t think he’s exaggerating. Intellectually, Obama is in Bill Clinton’s league. But what he has over Clinton is emotional intelligence to buttress his grasp of policy.
What he gets, what he seems to intuit, is how to make others feel as if they are being heard. This is simple enough in theory but hard to pull off consistently in practice. His model is to figure out what another person needs and, if it helps Obama to get what he wants, to provide it.
He sensed that Hillary Clinton needed independent respect in defeat. He couldn’t give her the vice-presidency, which she desperately wanted, because it would have given her a dangerous rival power base if they succeeded. So he offered her the next best thing, and she, unlike her husband, was smart enough to say yes.
He realised that Rick Warren was an egomaniac and wanted some kind of platform, so he gave him a largely symbolic role at the inauguration and allowed Warren to preen. He knew that what Washington pundits really craved was not the truth, but a sense of their own importance. So he let them throw him a dinner party.
He sensed that McCain was in deep emotional withdrawal after his horrifying and crude descent into raw partisanship last autumn. And so he celebrated the old, bipartisan McCain and asked for his support in the Senate.
This is not typical for politicians in any climate and era. In the post-Clinton, post-Bush divide of the US, it’s a shock of sorts, and one most Washingtonians have yet to absorb. More shocks, I suspect, are to come, as people begin to realise that the new politics Obama promised is actually more than just a marketing device for a campaign.
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Was constantly shooting at our fighters a lie was Sept 11 a lie?We could not fight a war in Afghanistan we had to bring them out in the open by going into Iraq we accomplished both taking out Saddam and bring our foes to use.We have not been attacked in 7 1/2 years although this might change soon.And let me guess this will be Bushs fault too.
The economy will probably fix itself in the next four years and Obama will take credit.If he screws up will you guys still blame Bush
In a roundabout way O may actually fix the economy. What needs to happen is that all the people that are still above water and in good financial shape need to get back to spending money. They need to believe that the economy is on it's way back and they can get back to normal earning and spending. Since so many people are optimistic about him, this may translate to this belief. The big question is will the unrestrained Dems try to use this to go even more Socialist with the banks, housing, etc., which of course will guarantee the economy will take LOTS longer to recover. HOPE is what we need, change will happen naturally.
Oh, and Andrew Sullivan is still a douche.
Oh, and Andrew Sullivan is still a douche.
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