Photo Theft Question

[BBB725]

Jon, I ain't pulling this thread.

Buoy, I do have a watermark on the image (look closely at the photo in post 1- see it? gold lettering, says NAPLESIMAGE.COM). They conveniently cropped it off.

Then place the watermark over the main subject of the image. Having it on the edge does no good.

I feel that way right now, Ned... but tomorrow I will cool off a bit.

One of the things I do is I don't put my watermark on the subject matter (the boat) of my photos because I feel it really degrades the viewing experience.

This sort of thing sure makes me think differently.

Your property was used without the watermark or permission and is theft, it sucks but looks like the water mark will go over the center now, too bad your pics are great Jay. When are you arriving down here? Will you be in the air or on the bridge?

 

[jayboat]

Jay
Curious . If thats from an SBI race did you ever get compensated by ANYONE for that pic.?

Did SBI ever want it and pay for it ?

Can't imagine how stupid a race organizer is in stealing a pic from another organizers race.
Sorta like Macdonalds having a pic of a Burger King burger on their menu.

You got every right to be ****ed off. And I hear you regarding more than a CREDIT .

Alec-

SBI never pays anything and I don't expect it. (if you know JC, he would want me to pay him for the privledge ) I just go to the races and shoot with only the expectation of getting some cool shots that I can share with my offshore friends. Sometimes the racers will buy a print or two. Those who know me, know that I do this primarily because I like doing it... if I can sell a few prints to cover expenses, then I'm happy. lately tho... it has become something more than a hobby, but I'm still trying to figure out how to make a living doing it.

this sort of crap sure doesn't make it easy.

and I agree, stealing it from another org's event seems pretty moronic. :ack2:

 

[jayboat]

Your property was used without the watermark or permission and is theft, it sucks but looks like the water mark will go over the center now, too bad your pics are great Jay. When are you arriving down here? Will you be in the air or on the bridge?

I've got 2600 images posted on flickr... no way am I gonna go back and... :26:
I will make a change, tho...

I'm rolling outta here about 8:30 tomorrow- planning to hang with Rchevelle on his Pantera to shoot the race. Hope to meet you while there!

Funny how things happen in bunches sometimes. I was on a poker run site earlier today and saw two of my photos, one in the freakin masthead, that were used without permission. aaaargh. :boxing_smiley:

 

[Expensive Date]

Jay not sure of the legality involved but it is certainly not right or ethical and you have every right to be upset.Do you know who made the banner? Sorry if the was already stated I did not read the other thread.

 

[Buoy]

Jay, let me just clarify, Yes, I feel you should be compensated for the use of the photo on the banner, but, not for a photo of the banner.
If your photo's are being stolen, that is crap.
If you just put your photos out there, they become fair game.
How many photo's have been posted on these boards that are joke photos, or party photos that have been re-posted by many members, many times?
No one ever get's compensated.
If you are doing this as a hobby, and only want to share with your friends...
I truely do understand the bad feelings, and I don't think it is right at all for someone to use your photos without permission for an advertisement.

 

[phragle]

Jay... you need to figure out how to get a couple piks of certain people that those people don't want seen............

 

[Buoy]

Jay... you need to figure out how to get a couple piks of certain people that those people don't want seen............

I know a few people that have a career because of a few photo's, and they don't work.

 

[Coolerman]

Jay... you need to figure out how to get a couple piks of certain people that those people don't want seen............

John Edwards and Hillary Clinton going into a hotel room.... Who would be the man in that deal?
:03:

 

[Audiofn]

I am not suggesting that OSS or who ever made that banner is not wrong. They obviously are. What I am suggesting is that maybe some one made a mistake and used the picture not realizing that Jay had not given the permission. These threads can be great for resolution. I think they should be a last resort kind of thing. Like if OSS tells him to go screw. I understand that you guys have a lot of history so that makes things a bit different.

AudioFn and Buoy - Everyone who visits the forums here and OSO knows that these are Jays images so they cant claim the igonorance defence. And in fact Polli and Extreme Boats did the same thing to me and my images a couple of years ago.

Polli is President of OSS and they are involved with that race so he would have known exactly what was going on. Even to the stage where when he arrived there for this race and saw the banner could have said Wow maybe we should check and see if we got the ok from Jay to use his image.

And why pull the thread down, Polli and OSS have been busted stealing Jays image, plain and simple, so let it stand. There are a number of us who bust our asses getting around the place shooting pics of boats, myself, Jay, Sharkey, Gerardi so why the hell shouldnt we stick up for ourselves in cases like this as it costs us thousands for travel and expenses and yet associations think they can just steal the images with no thought towards those who shot them.

Ned

 

[H2O Full Throttle]

AudioFN - As Jay said the image was posted with his copyright logo right across the bottom of it. BUT they cropped it out when they used it so they knew full well what they were doing. Sorry but when you knowingly crop off someone elses copyright logo and name then that is theft, NOT a mistake.

 

[catastrophe]

For some reason I suspect that this isn't the only time this has happened to the guys that bring us the pics that we all enjoy.
Gotta be frustrating for any one of them that this happens to.
For a lot of the people that love the sport their pics are the only eye on the action and they have an important role in the wellbeing of this sport.
Those that mistreat them should be admonished.

 

[jayboat]

Ok, I got a pm from Ron and he says he was unaware of the banner production, that he assumes it was produced by the Geico team.

I remember giving them prints of that image last year, but that did not include rights to reproduce the damn thing. Doesn't make me any happier.

 

[jayboat]

Jay, let me just clarify, Yes, I feel you should be compensated for the use of the photo on the banner, but, not for a photo of the banner.
If your photo's are being stolen, that is crap.
If you just put your photos out there, they become fair game.
How many photo's have been posted on these boards that are joke photos, or party photos that have been re-posted by many members, many times?
No one ever get's compensated.
If you are doing this as a hobby, and only want to share with your friends...
I truely do understand the bad feelings, and I don't think it is right at all for someone to use your photos without permission for an advertisement.

I don't have a problem with the photo of the banner, it's the photo on the banner.

I put a watermark on all images that I post, and regardless, using another's photo for commercial purposes without paying for it is theft, dude. Your fair game statement is ridiculous.

 

[H2O Full Throttle]

If you just put your photos out there, they become fair game.

Buoy - One comment to this statement you make and that is BULL$HIT. I put my images on here for people to look at and enjoy so dont you dare tell me it is fair game and that anyone can take them and use them if they wish.

I spend thousands of dollars travelling the world to capture images and members here get to enjoy the benefits but if you think that entitles you or anyone else to just take them as fair game then you are a sorry individual.

 

[fund razor]

Interesting thread. Sorry that you are angry Jay.

I used to produce music and make "records." So... I am with you as far as copyright management goes. But, one suggestion.... I don't think it was a personal offense. In other words, nobody said "Let's steal that Dam Jay's pic and use it, that will show that sob."
They probably said "here is an awesome shot of our boat that Jay took." Or perhaps, "Here is an awesome shot."

While from a legal and business standpoint I agree with you, I think that your reaction should be a business-like one. You have the right to get to the bottom of it and to make sure that you are credited or compensated and that the offender is made aware of your expectations and your interpretation of the law and ethics.

I agree that on face value.... it just isn't right. But I don't know how it came to be. Just in case it was semi-innocent in intent, or a mistake, you may want to tone down the anger. Your anger could result in more people being embarrased than you think.
What if the Geico folks thought that the image of their boat is their intellectual property once given to them, as it carries their brand. Hmmm.
It is an interesting subject for sure, and consistent with many other people's concerns regarding copyright in a digital, internet world.

I appreciate the photos that you guys take. I respect that they are your work product. I hope that you don't stop sharing that work product with people because you feel disrespected. Especially if the offense was committed out of a mis-interpretation, mis-communication, or mis-understanding. What if an intern at a PR firm grabbed that from Geico's PC and ran to Kinko's with it?

I agree that it wasn't right. Regardless of how it came to pass.

 

[jayboat]

John, you are right on all those points, and the story is probably very close to the scenario you describe. Hopefully I'll have some answers soon.

I won't lose any sleep over it, but it still sux.

Off to Marathon!

 

[fund razor]

John, you are right on all those points, and the story is probably very close to the scenario you describe. Hopefully I'll have some answers soon.

I won't lose any sleep over it, but it still sux.

Off to Marathon!

Sounds like you are feeling a little better today. Good luck at Marathon.
Thanks for being open minded.

Have a good one.

 

[fund razor]

One last thing Jay: your pics are outstanding, get better every time you shoot a run, and have raised the bar for offshore photos. I can understand why people would want to use them.

Maybe if nothing else, this thread will raise awareness of the problem of image theft.

 

[Audiofn]

Ok, I got a pm from Ron and he says he was unaware of the banner production, that he assumes it was produced by the Geico team.

I remember giving them prints of that image last year, but that did not include rights to reproduce the damn thing. Doesn't make me any happier.

This is why I was saying take a deep breath and get to the bottom of it before you (and everyone else) start to slam the wrong guy. Think about it for a little bit. That banner looks HUGE. You are not going to get an image that size from something that you took off the internet. The file size to make that print has to be huge. So who ever made the image has an original more then likely. If I was making that banner I would have cropped the image the same way water mark or not, they also cropped a lot off the top as well.

Jon

 

[Pete B]

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I remember giving them prints of that image last year, but that did not include rights to reproduce the damn thing. Doesn't make me any happier

There in the problems lies , if you gave them (GEICO) copies, with or without your watermark, what would make them think otherwise than they can use it??? YOU GAVE IT TO THEM, now you want compensation???

Not sure how you operate, but reducing the size and quality of the photo prior to viewing, will keep indidviuals from taking. Also using Photo bucket you cannot reproduce
a large banner pic and still have good resolution.

good luck in Marathon.