Steve Miklos
Charter Member / Competitor
It held up for Ross Brawn this year, I also think your pricing is extremely retail. The Datalogger is very inexpensive like $1300.00 retail
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It held up for Ross Brawn this year, I also think your pricing is extremely retail. The Datalogger is very inexpensive like $1300.00 retail
Steve
Don't know if I am hi-jacking this thread and Ryan Beckley might want to comment, outboard powered cats, this class is raced all over the world in very close class rules
X-Cats Middle East
Superboat Light New Zealand
Supercat Outboard Australia
OSS Cat Outboard America
Wouldn't this be the most widely raced class worldwide, maybe someone could start this as a truly global class.
I may be wrong, anyone else care to comment?
I'm just from a small country at the bottom of the world.......lol
X-Cats Middle East
Superboat Light New Zealand
Supercat Outboard Australia
OSS Cat Outboard America
Wouldn't this be the most widely raced class worldwide, maybe someone could start this as a truly global class.
I may be wrong, anyone else care to comment?
I'm just from a small country at the bottom of the world.......lol
Sean Stinson
Founding Member/Contributor
Sorry to change the subject but is your name Craig????? And I do agree with you on the above statement!!!!!
shifter
Charter Member
Safety first. Guidelines for the classes. Few classes.
If you base the classes on the"p" class rules then everyone has a place to run right now. If you divide the p classes in half (3 classes)then you double the boats in each class. That makes the purse double.
Make people earn a trophy.
pat W
If you base the classes on the"p" class rules then everyone has a place to run right now. If you divide the p classes in half (3 classes)then you double the boats in each class. That makes the purse double.
Make people earn a trophy.
pat W
shifter
Charter Member
Steve,
Have you priced a Mclaren electronics lately? That is the only system allowed in F1. They do not use $1300 data systems. Live uplink back to the factory.
When I was using Williams VCM in the Class 1 boats it was $50,000 per. I was collecting data for shock mitigating seats in 1995 after Hameds death.
Look at it this way. Who is going to sift through this data? When do you want to announce a winner? The following week? What do you do when you get no data?
You are creating more questions and getting away from the fun part of racing.
Offroad has a great series on tv right now Pro 2 and Pro 4 on NBC.
pat W
Have you priced a Mclaren electronics lately? That is the only system allowed in F1. They do not use $1300 data systems. Live uplink back to the factory.
When I was using Williams VCM in the Class 1 boats it was $50,000 per. I was collecting data for shock mitigating seats in 1995 after Hameds death.
Look at it this way. Who is going to sift through this data? When do you want to announce a winner? The following week? What do you do when you get no data?
You are creating more questions and getting away from the fun part of racing.
Offroad has a great series on tv right now Pro 2 and Pro 4 on NBC.
pat W
Steve Miklos
Charter Member / Competitor
The cost of Electronics has changed greatly in 15 years! You do not need Mclaren for data loggers and yes the are the only ECM in F1. You can do this with even racepak and get a 40 times per second sample rate. We push our data to the Internet out of my blackberry that is also talking to shore through our intercom (no need for helicopters or relay trucks). Before that (2001) we used a free wave VHF modem it cost $499.00 went about 6 miles.
As far as sifting through the data I am sure they will have a rule that says if you exceed this output for a given time (I would guess about 1.5 seconds) you are suspect. If there was an appeal an actual dyno would be the tool to settle it.
Pat you confuse me. For years you have complained about equipment like yours not being allowed in spec classes. Now technology is allowing many configurations to be raced against each other in a fair contest. P1 is high visibility and your stuff is legal right now. The strain gauge is taking their current formula and simply improving it, they are even providing the equipment at no charge in Europe.
I don't get it.
Steve
Dunbar 104
Charter Member / Competitor
I just have confidence that Martain is in-touch with what will work for P-1 in the States. He has spent enough time around us racers to know and a racer himself. I will wait for a rule book, and if I can, I will make the changes needed and go racing. I don't care about the business model because it is not my business.
Sean Stinson
Founding Member/Contributor
Thanks
Sean Stinson
Founding Member/Contributor
Martin has been around this stuff since....well dirt......he has a pretty good idea of how all things work, don't work, or just dont make sense at all!!! I have listened to and talked with many a person on this subject to the point where I dont have any hair left but told him I would support him in any way I could again I see no negativity in his model at all and I see regional racing building strength again like it was back not that long ago!!!!!
Steve Miklos
Charter Member / Competitor
Martin and I have been speaking almost daily. We worked together extensiveley on APBA Offshore LLC. Making this a plug in well help it happen in the US. From an SVL perspective P1 has no single engine class so we have the oppourtunity to be it.
Steve
shifter
Charter Member
Steve,
We are racing now in P1 Europe, 2008 Super Stock World Champion... I was asked to state info about strain gages so I have.
My focus has been on safety in the boats for a long time now. Safety, Low cost is a mph limit.
If you are looking at increasing boat count like we are you need to make it easy and safe for a guy or girl with a 24 Pantera or a 42 pleasure boat to come in and race. We are watching RPM and Speed with a data logger to keep the boats in check. If they break out they are DQ'd.
This way they can run a 43 vee with 1500 hp a side or a catlite with 525's in this class or an outboard cat or single vee with a turbine. If you do not want to run 115, there is open class or if you want to go slower P2.
It is that simple.
pat W
We are racing now in P1 Europe, 2008 Super Stock World Champion... I was asked to state info about strain gages so I have.
My focus has been on safety in the boats for a long time now. Safety, Low cost is a mph limit.
If you are looking at increasing boat count like we are you need to make it easy and safe for a guy or girl with a 24 Pantera or a 42 pleasure boat to come in and race. We are watching RPM and Speed with a data logger to keep the boats in check. If they break out they are DQ'd.
This way they can run a 43 vee with 1500 hp a side or a catlite with 525's in this class or an outboard cat or single vee with a turbine. If you do not want to run 115, there is open class or if you want to go slower P2.
It is that simple.
pat W
Steve Miklos
Charter Member / Competitor
I agree and the P1 rules currently have a speed limit. We started this in Supercat with the LLC in 2000. If you check the rules we had a speed limit a decade ago.
Steve
DAREDEVIL
Banned
Isn't that what we have here NOW ?????????
I think we should just all get along and race together,,,and if the sanction body does not want to ,,,why don't WE RACERS just do so with out a body ???
Lets all meet in the middle of the USA on a lake or what ever ocean ,,,just for once and all race together 100-200 boats and a spectacular for ALL to see, no price money or so,,just a safe nice race ?!
That would open eyes way beyond the horizon and maybe change some thinking of those who pull the lines behind the curtains !!!!!!
Just my 2 c
shifter
Charter Member
Scott,
It is close to what you have now it just needs to be simplified a little to make things a little more interesting. For years now the sport has been fracturing in smaller and smaller classes so that almost everyone can have a trophy without trying.
No competition no interest.
So cut the "P" classes in half, double the boat count in each class, double the purse, and make for an interesting race for the competators and the fans.
The middle is Texas we used to race there. Corpus Christy, Galviston...Good sites not sure why we do not have those anymore.
pat W
It is close to what you have now it just needs to be simplified a little to make things a little more interesting. For years now the sport has been fracturing in smaller and smaller classes so that almost everyone can have a trophy without trying.
No competition no interest.
So cut the "P" classes in half, double the boat count in each class, double the purse, and make for an interesting race for the competators and the fans.
The middle is Texas we used to race there. Corpus Christy, Galviston...Good sites not sure why we do not have those anymore.
pat W
Ratickle
Founding Member / Super Moderator
And thanks for joining in, I really appreciate it. When the discussion turned to data collection and strain guages you were the one that came to mind with experience in both.
I know you say cut the "P" classes in half, but the model OPA currently uses seems to have the most growth over the past few years. Once they get to 10 or 12 boats in a class, and a couple are getting close, wouldn't you think that is enough for a good exciting race? I remember when the discussion was about limiting SuperCat to 12 boats because of the danger of too many.
imco offshore
Competitor / Charter Member
you can never have too many ,,we should be so lucky,,if you have too many you have trully meet your goals,,but now the show gets better,,saturday heats ,,a & b mains and the final race,,aaaa think about it ,,,now thats a dream,haa. as for danger the only danger comes from the loose nut behind the wheel,,,f-2 usto start 30 now we have to look for the next great answer,,,and it,s almost here????
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