Not Evil Just Wrong

[Perlmudder]

I have read so many articles on climate change in the last 5 years, and it still boggles me how people do not see the bigger picture. The issue is not so much that we are heating and cooling, its what comes along with that. If the earth heats up, viruses and diseases which were once not a problem because they were killed by the cold are now able to spread at a faster rate. Food production is another issue, if rodent and insect populations are allowed to increase, we will have to use harsher chemicals to deter them. Hunting and fishing will also be greatly affected, for fish stocks to replenish themselves, they require certain water temperatures and season. If this does not happen, there will be smaller, and eventually endangered and decimated numbers of species. Deer and moose are in "season" for only so long, and hunting permits are given depending on how many are estimated to be alive.

Now I am not saying the government is going about combating the potential affects of climate change in the right manor by reducing industry, and raising taxes, etc. But nobody can say that creating other forms of energy production is a bad thing. I don't know how many of you live in large cities, but being from Toronto, when it gets real hot in the summer, there is nothing fun about a smog warning.

Would it hurt anybody to try and implement a more sustainable lifestyle? Probably not. I personally walk to school everyday because I enjoy walking, I could take a bus or car to school, but that would just be foolish. Even something as small as buying local produce can make a big difference and does not cost anything. Not leaving lights on when you leave the room, buying energy efficient appliances, etc, all make a difference. I am surely not saying give up your big blocks, I for one hope to own one in the future, but there are not shortage of little things that can be done around ones home to reduce their impact on the environment.

These are just some thoughts off the top of my head.

 

[Perlmudder]

Also, like anything else, after watching the trailer for Not Evil Just Wrong, it proves what a good video editor is capable of doing. There is BIAS in everything, like any documentary they are going to use whatever means possible to shock the viewers.

 

[fund razor]

They ran commercial shipping through the Northeast passage (around Siberia and Russia) for the first time this year. That is probably significant

First time ever?? I mean, in that 500 years or so of "ever" that has decent records?

 

[Ratickle]

They are having a tough drought season.

Their draughts are still flowing by the Pint, mate.

:leaving:

 

[fund razor]

Is it Evil or Wrong to suggest that in response to the population explosion that we make people pass an IQ test in order to reproduce? I suppose both.

 

[Ratickle]

Is it Evil or Wrong to suggest that in response to the population explosion that we make people pass an IQ test in order to reproduce? I suppose both.

Shockley's plan, along with some other professors, was to offer them money to become sterilized. No force, just "Here's $25,000, you're stupid, how about a little snip?":sifone:

 

[Wrinkleface]

Shockley's plan, along with some other professors, was to offer them money to become sterilized. No force, just "Here's $25,000, you're stupid, how about a little snip?":sifone:

Nobody paid me 2 get snipped! FK, matter of fact, I paid 2 have it done!!!:banghead:

 

[2112]

I have read so many articles on climate change in the last 5 years, and it still boggles me how people do not see the bigger picture. The issue is not so much that we are heating and cooling, its what comes along with that. If the earth heats up, viruses and diseases which were once not a problem because they were killed by the cold are now able to spread at a faster rate. Food production is another issue, if rodent and insect populations are allowed to increase, we will have to use harsher chemicals to deter them. Hunting and fishing will also be greatly affected, for fish stocks to replenish themselves, they require certain water temperatures and season. If this does not happen, there will be smaller, and eventually endangered and decimated numbers of species. Deer and moose are in "season" for only so long, and hunting permits are given depending on how many are estimated to be alive.

Now I am not saying the government is going about combating the potential affects of climate change in the right manor by reducing industry, and raising taxes, etc. But nobody can say that creating other forms of energy production is a bad thing. I don't know how many of you live in large cities, but being from Toronto, when it gets real hot in the summer, there is nothing fun about a smog warning.

Would it hurt anybody to try and implement a more sustainable lifestyle? Probably not. I personally walk to school everyday because I enjoy walking, I could take a bus or car to school, but that would just be foolish. Even something as small as buying local produce can make a big difference and does not cost anything. Not leaving lights on when you leave the room, buying energy efficient appliances, etc, all make a difference. I am surely not saying give up your big blocks, I for one hope to own one in the future, but there are not shortage of little things that can be done around ones home to reduce their impact on the environment.

These are just some thoughts off the top of my head.

Maybe you missed it. The earth is in a cooling trend. Has been since 1998.

Cheers to you for treading lightly. :USA:
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[cigdaze]

I have read so many articles on climate change in the last 5 years, and it still boggles me how people do not see the bigger picture. The issue is not so much that we are heating and cooling, its what comes along with that. If the earth heats up, viruses and diseases which were once not a problem because they were killed by the cold are now able to spread at a faster rate. Food production is another issue, if rodent and insect populations are allowed to increase, we will have to use harsher chemicals to deter them. Hunting and fishing will also be greatly affected, for fish stocks to replenish themselves, they require certain water temperatures and season. If this does not happen, there will be smaller, and eventually endangered and decimated numbers of species. Deer and moose are in "season" for only so long, and hunting permits are given depending on how many are estimated to be alive.

Now I am not saying the government is going about combating the potential affects of climate change in the right manor by reducing industry, and raising taxes, etc. But nobody can say that creating other forms of energy production is a bad thing. I don't know how many of you live in large cities, but being from Toronto, when it gets real hot in the summer, there is nothing fun about a smog warning.

Would it hurt anybody to try and implement a more sustainable lifestyle? Probably not. I personally walk to school everyday because I enjoy walking, I could take a bus or car to school, but that would just be foolish. Even something as small as buying local produce can make a big difference and does not cost anything. Not leaving lights on when you leave the room, buying energy efficient appliances, etc, all make a difference. I am surely not saying give up your big blocks, I for one hope to own one in the future, but there are not shortage of little things that can be done around ones home to reduce their impact on the environment.

These are just some thoughts off the top of my head.

I completely agree with everything you stated.

My problem is with this nonsensical, politically-motivated drivel that is being passed around as pseudo-science embodied in phrases like global warming and man-made climate change, and being force-fed down our kids' throats and touted in all but a few mainstream media outlets as undisputed fact.

Of course there's climate change. There has been for about 4-1/2 billion years on the earth alone; cyclically driven inter-stellar climactic events have driven life on earth for eons - well before we burned the first drop of oil, expelled the first CFC, cut down our first forest. That's not what's at debate.
The premise, the notion - the audacity - of our politicians to dictate that there's some sort of man-made artificial heating is absurd. One only has to look at Venus' and Mars' temperate records a decade pre-1998 and post-1998 to see that the exact same patters have occurred there as here. Coincidentally, there was an ice age on other nearby planets at roughly the same time as here. To ignore it and the think otherwise is simply arrogant and ignorant.

Further to what you said, living sensibly and without wanton waste is absolutely encouragable. I cannot disagree with you there, it only makes sense - but not to the point of religiously following this global warming parade led by the this pie-eyed Gore right into the drastic cessation of our accustomed way of life through hysteria-mongering.

 

[Wobble]

First time ever?? I mean, in that 500 years or so of "ever" that has decent records?

Good point and I wouldn't be surprised to find out that the Vikings had been there and done that:cheers2:

I meant to say that it was the first time that commercial traffic had made the passage without one of Russia's nuclear powered ice breakers clearing the way

 

[Tony]

Is it Evil or Wrong to suggest that in response to the population explosion that we make people pass an IQ test in order to reproduce? I suppose both.

Neither evil or wrong. Ive got a story about this that I will share in the near future.

 

[2112]

it only makes sense - but not to the point of religiously following this global warming parade led by the this pie-eyed Gore right into the drastic cessation of our accustomed way of life through hysteria-mongering.

Because that is how we will exert further Gov't control (marxist policies for the masses) and reward the cronies that paid to put our current power structure into place.
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[PatriYacht]

Would it hurt anybody to try and implement a more sustainable lifestyle? Probably not. I personally walk to school everyday because I enjoy walking, I could take a bus or car to school, but that would just be foolish. Even something as small as buying local produce can make a big difference and does not cost anything. Not leaving lights on when you leave the room, buying energy efficient appliances, etc, all make a difference. I am surely not saying give up your big blocks, I for one hope to own one in the future, but there are not shortage of little things that can be done around ones home to reduce their impact on the environment.

Are you serious? Of course we would have to get rid of our big blocks. Walking occasionally and cutting back on toilet paper use is not going to have any measurable effect on energy use. If you think that global warming is happening and you want to reverse it, you would have to get rid of boats, RV's, recreational air travel. Outlaw all cars that get less gas milage than a Prius. Restrict the size of your dwelling or how much gas you are allowed to use to heat it. Cutting carbon emissions would be painful and expensive. And it would be useless unless everyone on Earth did it. China is building a new coal fired power plant a week. India is doing about the same.

Lucky for all of us, the theory of global warming is starting to fall apart. Carbon dioxide is proving to be a lot less of a greenhouse gas than originally thought. And since it is a plant food, it will help crop yields.

 

[Ratickle]

I diagree Ian. All you'd have to do is outlaw having children. Within 4 generations, problem solved.....:sifone:

 

[Perlmudder]

Are you serious? Of course we would have to get rid of our big blocks. Walking occasionally and cutting back on toilet paper use is not going to have any measurable effect on energy use. If you think that global warming is happening and you want to reverse it, you would have to get rid of boats, RV's, recreational air travel. Outlaw all cars that get less gas milage than a Prius. Restrict the size of your dwelling or how much gas you are allowed to use to heat it. Cutting carbon emissions would be painful and expensive. And it would be useless unless everyone on Earth did it. China is building a new coal fired power plant a week. India is doing about the same.

Lucky for all of us, the theory of global warming is starting to fall apart. Carbon dioxide is proving to be a lot less of a greenhouse gas than originally thought. And since it is a plant food, it will help crop yields.

What should be done and what can be done are two very different things. Creating a more sustainable lifestyle by implementing energy saving devices in ones household and workplace can have a measurable effect on our impact. We can not be responsible for what they do in India and China, but we can watch our own actions.

This statement "it will help crop yields" is false. Carbon dioxide in the right amounts is beneficial to plant life production, in excess amounts it is detrimental just like any other substance. The issue with carbon dioxide is not that it is going to kill plants, but that is it going to impact the seasons. If every year we have a growing season that is one day or half a day less, in 15-30 years from now we are might not have fruits and vegetables that are able to develop to their maximum potential. This has already been proven in parts of France and Europe where vineyards have had to change the type of wines and champagnes they have produce in the past (and are well known for) because the growing season is no longer optimal.

 

[Perlmudder]

This website is sort of neat if you want to measure your ecological footprint. There is a more accurate calculator on another website but I was not able to locate it.

http://www.myfootprint.org/en/visitor_information/

 

[Ratickle]

Only need 7.96 earths if everyone lived like me....

 

[PatriYacht]

What should be done and what can be done are two very different things. Creating a more sustainable lifestyle by implementing energy saving devices in ones household and workplace can have a measurable effect on our impact. We can not be responsible for what they do in India and China, but we can watch our own actions.

This statement "it will help crop yields" is false. Carbon dioxide in the right amounts is beneficial to plant life production, in excess amounts it is detrimental just like any other substance. The issue with carbon dioxide is not that it is going to kill plants, but that is it going to impact the seasons. If every year we have a growing season that is one day or half a day less, in 15-30 years from now we are might not have fruits and vegetables that are able to develop to their maximum potential. This has already been proven in parts of France and Europe where vineyards have had to change the type of wines and champagnes they have produce in the past (and are well known for) because the growing season is no longer optimal.

If the growing season is getting shorter then there must not be any global warming. Problem solved. Carbon Dioxide is a trace gas making up less than .001 percent of the earth's atmosphere. Doubling it or tripling it will make plants grow faster. I have never heard of poisoning a plant with too much.

 

[Perlmudder]

If the growing season is getting shorter then there must not be any global warming. Problem solved. Carbon Dioxide is a trace gas making up less than .001 percent of the earth's atmosphere. Doubling it or tripling it will make plants grow faster. I have never heard of poisoning a plant with too much.

Nowhere did I refer to it as "global warming", I referred to it as "climate change", which is the correct term.

Although carbon dioxide does not comprise most of our atmosphere, like you stated, it still has a large impact on the green house effect, somewhere in the neighborhood of 25%.

 

[Ratickle]

Greenhouse Studies

....tests have shown that increasing the level of carbon dioxide in a greenhouse to 550 ppm will accelerate plant growth by 30 - 40 %. The natural level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is around 450 ppm, having increased from about 250 ppm in the last ice-age, so this slight increase may not appear significant at first sight. The point of the matter is that the level of carbon dioxide in the average greenhouse with the ventilation system closed will drop sharply due to uptake by the plants and will lie around 150 - 200 ppm if nothing is done about it.....

In the Wild Studies

....Both trees and poison ivy grew faster, when exposed to higher concentrations of CO2, than their oxygen-only counterparts. But poison ivy grew faster than the trees--150% faster, in fact, compared to a 20% increase in tree growth. The difference, according to Jackie Mohan, is that poison ivy, like all vines, is a bit lazy.

"Vines don't need to devote so much of their CO2 resources to growing these big, woody trunks," she says. "Instead, they can devote that to growing more green leaves, which increase photosynthesis some more. And it becomes a cycle."

This study was the first time the effects of CO2 had been researched like this in the wild. ....