New Russian Warplane

Chris

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Russia last week unveilled their newest fighter. it's their first fifth-generation fighter- their answer to the F-22. Unfortunately it only looks like an F-22. It's using old engines and they don't possess the materials, electronics or technology to build a true 5th gen fighter.

I ran across this poster this morning- sums it up beautifully.

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Yes, but our lovely Congress discontinued the F-22. Pelosi wanted the money so she could fly her family around the country instead.
 
Yes, but our lovely Congress discontinued the F-22. Pelosi wanted the money so she could fly her family around the country instead.

187 of them is more than we even need. They're so overwhelmingly superior to anything else built now or that will be produced in the next decade that there's really no sense in spending the $150 million plus a piece on too many more of them.
 
the F-22ski, the Germans brought over some MIG -29's a few years back.....they were absolute junk...cool to see fly over KW though.
 
if its built like other russian migs we have gotten our hands on... it's held together with bailing wire and duct tape... but at least it's titainium duct tape..
 
Russia is who the US needs to worry about. Al Queda won't take over the world, but the Russian aim is world domintation. They are already taking liberties they wouldn't dare take if Reagan was still in office.
 
I worked on the M-1 Abrams tank design team from the late 1970's thru the later M1A1, M1A2 variants. The soviet t-72 was considered the best thing out there back then, Around the time the Soviet Union collasped the U.S. government loaned us a T-72. We looked it over and basically established it was a piece of junk. a few years later gulf war 1 proved that correct.

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I worked on the M-1 Abrams tank design team from the late 1970's thru the later M1A1, M1A2 variants. The soviet t-72 was considered the best thing out there back then, Around the time the Soviet Union collasped the U.S. government loaned us a T-72. We looked it over and basically established it was a piece of junk. a few years later gulf war 1 proved that correct.

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I have a relative who works in quality control for the DOD who has told me almost the exact same story word for word.
 
The T-72 was a reliable piece built upon lessons learned in WW-II and in no small part from copying German technology and the knowledge of captured German engineers.

The gulf war vintage M1 Abrams was a completely different class of weapon. Its domination of the battlefield was solely a function of being able to engage the Soviet-built armor the Iraqi's were fielding at a greater range than the Iraqis were able to return fire. The M1's were sending sabot'ed DU penetrators slicing through their tanks and the Iraqi rounds were falling a half-mile short in front of the Abrams. There wasn't even any need to utilize the superior speed and shoot-on-the-fly targeting capability of the tank.

At the same time, the Abrams was built to fight an armor war in the Eurpoean theater. Its turbine engines were incorporated based on the theory that they'd be travelling short distances and needing to get there fast. This proved to be a hindrance in the Gulf since there were vast distances to be travelled in non-combat situations. A diesel would be slower, but much more fuel efficient. The Abrams repeatedly outran the Army's ability to fuel and resupply it.

There's a building at Nellis AFB in Nevada. They call it the "petting zoo". It's full of every piece of old Soviet and Chinese built military hardware imaginable. Some of it is such unbelievable junk that you couldn't believe it would even function. It's simply a difference in philosophy- their premise is to build a bunch of disposable hardware and feed it and personnel into the battle in an overwhelming force. had we gone at it in Europe, it's possible their philosophy could have been proven right.
 
My cousin witnessed a few of the Abrams unmanned remote tests. He says the numbers up to mechanical failure were jaw dropping.
 
the MIG 29, if built to US standards with our material technology and computer control systems, and to our quality standards, would have been one hell of an airplane. not that im a fan of the russians, but i would like a ride in one!
 
187 of them is more than we even need. They're so overwhelmingly superior to anything else built now or that will be produced in the next decade that there's really no sense in spending the $150 million plus a piece on too many more of them.

The videos I've seen of the F22 are so f*cking amazing! Awe-inspiring really. The way that thing can pretty much stall and roll over is simply put; unatural. B!tchen machine.

(this would be one of the videos I'm refering to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_Q6Vb9xJM0 )
 
Not all thier stuff is Junk, The AK-47 is a example of that, you can throw in a mud puddle and it will still fire.
 
Yes you can. But you can't hit something at 100 yards with one. The AK is a very simple design, but it's tolerances are very loose. This greatly aids in functionality. It;s a great weapon for some 3rd world army that is uneducated, under-trained and under-supplied.

At the same time, you can take a WW-II vintage M-1 and do the same thing, piss on it to get the dust out and shoot someone at a dead run at 300 yards with it.
 
The T-72 was a reliable piece built upon lessons learned in WW-II and in no small part from copying German technology and the knowledge of captured German engineers.

The gulf war vintage M1 Abrams was a completely different class of weapon. Its domination of the battlefield was solely a function of being able to engage the Soviet-built armor the Iraqi's were fielding at a greater range than the Iraqis were able to return fire. The M1's were sending sabot'ed DU penetrators slicing through their tanks and the Iraqi rounds were falling a half-mile short in front of the Abrams. There wasn't even any need to utilize the superior speed and shoot-on-the-fly targeting capability of the tank.

At the same time, the Abrams was built to fight an armor war in the Eurpoean theater. Its turbine engines were incorporated based on the theory that they'd be travelling short distances and needing to get there fast. This proved to be a hindrance in the Gulf since there were vast distances to be travelled in non-combat situations. A diesel would be slower, but much more fuel efficient. The Abrams repeatedly outran the Army's ability to fuel and resupply it.

There's a building at Nellis AFB in Nevada. They call it the "petting zoo". It's full of every piece of old Soviet and Chinese built military hardware imaginable. Some of it is such unbelievable junk that you couldn't believe it would even function. It's simply a difference in philosophy- their premise is to build a bunch of disposable hardware and feed it and personnel into the battle in an overwhelming force. had we gone at it in Europe, it's possible their philosophy could have been proven right.

Bringing fuel forward is a huge logistics hurdle, everything on the ground moves much faster and burns more, Bradleys, Abrams, Stryker and they keep adding weight as they get up-armored. Abrams started at 58 ton and evolved into near 63+ ton. After GW1 we were on a brainstorming exercise 'fuel efficent Army after next'. Then came FCS, future combat systems, which is/was thinking electric drives, more composites and huge weight reductions with crew survivability etc. That program is on hold now due to the current costs of war.
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