New American Tea Party

[cuda]

OK, friendly comment her. Tea Parties are to protest excessive taxes. Taxes have not been raised except for cigarettes. Spending has gone up but economists say that is how to avoid a Depression. So we have people out there rallying against how high tier taxes are. I'm having trouble connecting the pieces. Are they protesting the future increases in taxes, which is inevitable considering how much money we've spent not just in Obama first 100 days, but over the last 8 years on wars, tax cuts and entitlement expansions like the medicare prescription drug program?

I watched the hrecaps from yesteray. While the core of the purpose was easily supporter by those with educations, the soundbites played on all networks were form people who basically want to pay no taxes and have no government. I'm not going to argue the virtues of their dream, but that's the platform people like Timothy McVeigh and the Unabomber stood for. And there is no way possible that a movement based on that can attract enough people to democratically elect a leader. What I am saying is, if you defend Democracy and want the Republican party to win elections again, strapping yourselves to the militant Right is not going to win elections. But it will win ratings.

Which would you rather have?

So you know, I do stand for smaller government, reduced, but reasonable taxes (I want someone to answer 911 when I call) and capitalism. But it's tough to make arguments right now when the Capitalist business leaders have been lining up asking for corporate socialism hand-outs.

When the economic system is working, we can all argue our ideological differences. When the system is broken, like it is right now, we have to go to economics and historical lessons to fix the problem.

Analogy: When the race engine is operable, stepping on the gas will make it go faster. When the engine is broken, you have to fix the problem. Standing on the gas will do nothing. Right now, people think they can just mash their ideological pedals harder and get the result they want. But maybe people need to realize we need to let the mechanics get under the hood fast. The race is under green flag and we're arguing what color jumpsuit the mechanic is wearing.

Basically, we are stuck with Bozo and the monsters, but they must succeed for all of us to. If we hope they fail, we all fail.

I will not change my signature line to the famous quote from Backdraft:

You go, we go.
That basically sums it up for me.

Huh? I bet you when McVeigh or the Unabomber runs for president, I won't vote for either of them either. I'm not sure if it states it in the US Constitution that the president must be alive, not room temp, or not.

 

[cuda]

First I'm not a Republican, I'm a conservative and Bush was the lesser of two evils but still spent like a drunk sailor. The tax rates are progressive but for this I'll use the top brackets. In 2000 tax was 39.6%, 2001 was 39.1%, 2002 was 38.6% 2003 to current was 35%.

I have never given real thought on where taxes should be, we need a national defense, road system and other necessary services so taxes can't be zero. But it's a great question, let me think what I believe would work.

Currently I pay 35% federal, 7% state, 6.5% FICA with employer matches 6.5% making it 13%, total is 55%. Again the taxes are progressive and these numbers will be off some. Now what I'd like to see and where were at is the problem, I would like a flat tax no loop holes with the majority staying local. The taxes would be flipped something like this 10% county, 5% state and 5% federal. I'm just picking numbers but something along those lines.
Corporate taxes should be next to zero any taxes a company pays is passed along in the price of the product. At that point nobody would go offshore to avoid taxes, it wouldn't be worth it.

Want some more rule changes to better the system, lets make election day and tax day the same weekend instead of 5 months apart. Base line budgets that have to be balanced or all politicians, retired and active lose all pay and benefits till it is. Term limits two terms at a national level and your done, that way the politicians would pass laws knowing they will be a private citizen after. Elections held over a weekend with no results posted or broadcast until the polls close, if you release results you lose your FCC license. No more two party system, everyone's independent, that should make the voters learn about each candidate.

A national sale's tax would accomplish a lot of the same things, except there would be millions out of work, who's only existance is due to writing, interpreting, and enforcing the tax codes.

 

[Tommy Gun]

A national sale's tax would accomplish a lot of the same things, except there would be millions out of work, who's only existance is due to writing, interpreting, and enforcing the tax codes.

I wouldn't worry about the IRS employees; they probably never have to pay taxes and get their benefits for life.

 

[Offshoredrillin]

I think the main thing that everyone really wants to see is a fiscal responsibilty from the government, I wouldn't have a problem giving a little more once a responsible program is in place, it's the rampany waste that is astounding. No problem was ever solved by just throwing money at it. The tea partys to me, were bringing the declaration back in line, and I see it growing daily, the republic has the right to empower a new government and insist on positve improvement, no party line at all. just fiscal responsibility and that isnt so easily defined.

 

[Tommy Gun]

I think the main thing that everyone really wants to see is a fiscal responsibilty from the government, I wouldn't have a problem giving a little more once a responsible program is in place, it's the rampany waste that is astounding. No problem was ever solved by just throwing money at it. The tea partys to me, were bringing the declaration back in line, and I see it growing daily, the republic has the right to empower a new government and insist on positve improvement, no party line at all. just fiscal responsibility and that isnt so easily defined.

I agree...I'd like to see a balanced budget ammendment. Of course there would have to be emergency exceptions; i.e. war; but the bottom line is that we cannot keep spending more than we make...this is our personal responsibility so why should the same not apply to our governments? (local, state and fedral). This crap of granting million(s) to research why pigs smell, etc. is ridiculous.

 

[cuda]

I think the main thing that everyone really wants to see is a fiscal responsibilty from the government, I wouldn't have a problem giving a little more once a responsible program is in place, it's the rampany waste that is astounding. No problem was ever solved by just throwing money at it. The tea partys to me, were bringing the declaration back in line, and I see it growing daily, the republic has the right to empower a new government and insist on positve improvement, no party line at all. just fiscal responsibility and that isnt so easily defined.

Rob for emperor!

You will have to change your first name. :sifone:

 

[cuda]

I wouldn't worry about the IRS employees; they probably never have to pay taxes and get their benefits for life.

I'm sure, and if they did abolish the IRS, they'd write into law they should get paid anyway, which I'm willing to agree to. It would cost us less in the long run.

 

[cuda]

Where do you get one of those bumper stickers that say

STOP ORGANIZED CRIME
ABOLISH THE IRS

 

[phragle]

maybe not federal taxes...but they will...how about local?? you pay city taxes and sales taxes and property taxes to pay for rd maint. police, fire, trash pickup, schools etc... now they want to add police and fire levies, garbage fees school levies etc.... what the hell are they doing with the money I am already giving them thats supposed to cover these things???

 

[BBB725]

maybe not federal taxes...but they will...how about local?? you pay city taxes and sales taxes and property taxes to pay for rd maint. police, fire, trash pickup, schools etc... now they want to add police and fire levies, garbage fees school levies etc.... what the hell are they doing with the money I am already giving them thats supposed to cover these things???

Spending it wisely

 

[cuda]

Spending it wisely

Good answer I'm sure. :sifone:

 

[Duke69]

OK, friendly comment her. Tea Parties are to protest excessive taxes. Taxes have not been raised except for cigarettes. Spending has gone up but economists say that is how to avoid a Depression. So we have people out there rallying against how high tier taxes are. I'm having trouble connecting the pieces. Are they protesting the future increases in taxes, which is inevitable considering how much money we've spent not just in Obama first 100 days, but over the last 8 years on wars, tax cuts and entitlement expansions like the medicare prescription drug program?

I watched the hrecaps from yesteray. While the core of the purpose was easily supporter by those with educations, the soundbites played on all networks were form people who basically want to pay no taxes and have no government. I'm not going to argue the virtues of their dream, but that's the platform people like Timothy McVeigh and the Unabomber stood for. And there is no way possible that a movement based on that can attract enough people to democratically elect a leader. What I am saying is, if you defend Democracy and want the Republican party to win elections again, strapping yourselves to the militant Right is not going to win elections. But it will win ratings.

Which would you rather have?

So you know, I do stand for smaller government, reduced, but reasonable taxes (I want someone to answer 911 when I call) and capitalism. But it's tough to make arguments right now when the Capitalist business leaders have been lining up asking for corporate socialism hand-outs.

When the economic system is working, we can all argue our ideological differences. When the system is broken, like it is right now, we have to go to economics and historical lessons to fix the problem.

Analogy: When the race engine is operable, stepping on the gas will make it go faster. When the engine is broken, you have to fix the problem. Standing on the gas will do nothing. Right now, people think they can just mash their ideological pedals harder and get the result they want. But maybe people need to realize we need to let the mechanics get under the hood fast. The race is under green flag and we're arguing what color jumpsuit the mechanic is wearing.

Basically, we are stuck with Bozo and the monsters, but they must succeed for all of us to. If we hope they fail, we all fail.

I will not change my signature line to the famous quote from Backdraft:

You go, we go.
That basically sums it up for me.

One of the best posts on this subject I've seen!!

 

[Tommy Gun]

Tax his land,
Tax his wage,
Tax his bed in which he lays.
Tax his tractor,
Tax his mule,
Teach him taxes is the rule.
Tax his cow,
Tax his goat,
Tax his pants,
Tax his coat.

Tax his ties,
Tax his shirts,
Tax his work,
Tax his dirt.

Tax his tobacco,
Tax his drink,
Tax him if he tries to think.

Tax his booze,
Tax his beers,
If he cries,
Tax his tears.

Tax his bills,
Tax his gas,
Tax his notes,
Tax his cash.

Tax him good and let him know
That after taxes, he has no dough.

If he hollers,
Tax him more,
Tax him until he's good and sore.

Tax his coffin,
Tax his grave,
Tax the sod in which he lays.
Put these words upon his tomb,
'Taxes drove me to my doom!'

And when he's gone,
We won't relax,
We'll still be after the inheritance TAX!!

 

[Ratickle]

Tax his land,
Tax his wage,
Tax his bed in which he lays.
Tax his tractor,
Tax his mule,
Teach him taxes is the rule.
Tax his cow,
Tax his goat,
Tax his pants,
Tax his coat.

Tax his ties,
Tax his shirts,
Tax his work,
Tax his dirt.

Tax his tobacco,
Tax his drink,
Tax him if he tries to think.

Tax his booze,
Tax his beers,
If he cries,
Tax his tears.

Tax his bills,
Tax his gas,
Tax his notes,
Tax his cash.

Tax him good and let him know
That after taxes, he has no dough.

If he hollers,
Tax him more,
Tax him until he's good and sore.

Tax his coffin,
Tax his grave,
Tax the sod in which he lays.
Put these words upon his tomb,
'Taxes drove me to my doom!'

And when he's gone,
We won't relax,
We'll still be after the inheritance TAX!!

I made an argument for debates that the life-time effective tax rate in this country was over 100%. Sometimes I won.