My reality based approach to healthcare....

[fund razor]

I think that I have a solution. A compromise. Let's do it the new way for a few years, and that way all of these dam chronically ill people will die. Really sick people don't get any investment. This will reduce the load on the system, we can go back to the old way in which the best way to get insurance is to make yourself more employable than the next guy. (You know, the way our dads did it.) Then, when it's all said and done we can make up a lot of extra time by not having to visit the sick so much. We will have a lot of funerals at the front end. But just say that you can't get out of work. I see no flaw in this idea, as it combines the best of both systems.

 

[saber28]

I think people have to make choices. The janitor to choose to buy a boat, new car, big screen color tv, or health care. It's the choices we make with our money that decides what, and when, something happens to us. I do not believe everyone has the right to have a heart transplant at age 80 or a new hip at 95. These are practices which keep driving up the cost of health care for all of us and have taken it out of the realm of reality.

The proposed new health care plan will effectively do away with company provided health care within a few years. It will also make it so everyone has the exact same coverage whether you have a job, take personal care of yourself, take drugs, overeat, drink excessively, or not. I do not believe that is the correct plan to follow.

My wifes company has already sent out the letter her health care will be eliminated if the bill passes because they will qualify under the "Cadillac" plan and it would cost the company too much additional money on top of the insurance to provide it (40%). Catapillar has estimated their additional expense at $100 million per year.

You can say what you want about everyone should have the same quality of health care. That is exactly what they have done in numerous other countries where the health care is much worse than ours. Socialism is socialism no matter how you state it. Next it will be that everyone deserves the same quality of car and car insurance? Or house and house insurance? It's been tried many places in the world. It has never succeeded.

what makes you assume the janitor bought a new tv or a new car?

i agree with you about procedures at late stages in life, but isn't this your so called "death panels" in action? who decides who gets what! not that easy is it?

 

[Ratickle]

what makes you assume the janitor bought a new tv or a new car?

i agree with you about procedures at late stages in life, but isn't this your so called "death panels" in action? who decides who gets what! not that easy is it?

Who decides someone else gets to do whatever they want and be supported on my dime? People need to take responsibility for their own lives. Basic health care should be free to everyone, I have zero problem with that. But, expensive procedures like organ and joint replacements should be on a as you can afford basis. If you work for a company that has the benefits to do so, great. Otherwise it's just too bad. And to give a crack-head or herion addict the same coverage under the new plan as a hard-working, lower paid, single mom should be grounds for impeachment.

And you can call the janitor and let me know......

 

[phragle]

Sabre..with back tracking a page and half to quote you.... The law of natural selection states survival of the fittest. There are plenty of successful people who started poor and thru motivation became successful. Your janitor may be the nicest guy in the world, but he choose to be a $9 an hour janitor. He does not live in the same nieghborhood as a person making 75-100-200k a year.... He may drive a used car, not a new Denali, he may dine on the dollar menu not Ruth Chris...

the desire to have more, the desire to have better drives improvement. Nice house, nice paychecks, nice food, nice vehicles and yes, nice healthcare should be something earned.

Do I somehow think less of the janitor or disrespect him, no. Would I encourage the janitor to strive for more? yes.

 

[Trim'd Up]

Too bad there is no natural selection in modern society. We wouldn't have the HUGE dependent class we have now if there was. We protect the lazy and unintelligent from themselves on a daily basis only for them to procreate and create more lazy and unintelligent children.

 

[TCEd]

I think a lot of your opinions will change once you reach the later years and your knees and hips hurt and you're just too old for a replacement procedure.

 

[Davidmnc]

Thanks for your high opinion of me :cuss:

Donzi.. I did NOT call you a Penguin......

What's wrong with Penguins any way? :cuss:

 

[phragle]

I think a lot of your opinions will change once you reach the later years and your knees and hips hurt and you're just too old for a replacement procedure.

My Gradfather is in his mid 90's, recently had a fall and broke a hip, had it replaced and is doing great. He choose a carreer in the coastguard which has provided him with good healthcare.

 

[Ratickle]

I think a lot of your opinions will change once you reach the later years and your knees and hips hurt and you're just too old for a replacement procedure.

If this bill passes it guarantees I won't be able to get those types of procedures done anyway. The system will dole out based on waiting lists, and those who have been on welfare their entire lives will have the exact same opportunity as those who were productive their entire lives. Just look at Canada, France, and England if you want to see the results.

There are already groups of specialists reviewing opening hospitals in Mexico to take care of the influential.

And if you think this is such a good deal, why did Congress exempt themselves???????

 

[Tommy Gun]

If this bill passes it guarantees I won't be able to get those types of procedures done anyway. The system will dole out based on waiting lists, and those who have been on welfare their entire lives will have the exact same opportunity as those who were productive their entire lives. Just look at Canada, France, and England if you want to see the results.

There are already groups of specialists reviewing opening hospitals in Mexico to take care of the influential.

And if you think this is such a good deal, why did Congress exempt themselves???????

Two words...Costa Rica.

 

[TCEd]

If this bill passes it guarantees I won't be able to get those types of procedures done anyway. The system will dole out based on waiting lists, and those who have been on welfare their entire lives will have the exact same opportunity as those who were productive their entire lives. Just look at Canada, France, and England if you want to see the results.

There are already groups of specialists reviewing opening hospitals in Mexico to take care of the influential.

And if you think this is such a good deal, why did Congress exempt themselves???????

No I don't necessarly think this is a good plan. My comment is directed at those in this thread that suggest medical care should stop due to age.