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Mercury Marine To Close And Move All Production From Fond du Lac, Wisconsin......
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MarylandMark
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The company said it has no expectations of resuming negotiations at this time, nor does it intend to offer a modified proposal beyond what has already been presented to the union.
I read a saying I think is frickin awesome (can someone verify?)
Carl Kiekhaefer said "I pay my men twice what they're worth, and then I make then earn it"
I read a saying I think is frickin awesome (can someone verify?)
Carl Kiekhaefer said "I pay my men twice what they're worth, and then I make then earn it"
Scarab KV
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Doyle doesn't give a sh!t. He's gonna be gone soon anyway.
Geronimo36
Charter Member
Yeah, tell that to the guys at Volvo!!!:lurk5::rofl:
pullmytrigger
Charter Member
The only silver lining is now that so much is being outsourced, countries like India have prospered and their standard of living has increased and their services have become more expensive (check out "Slumdog Millinaire" as an example)... So then competition started to move things to China, Pakistan and several other unamed countries, who are also growing...
Long-term I think things might start to balance out but it will be at the expense of the USA.
there is still all of Africa as an untouched source of cheap labour.......there is a h ell of a long ways to go before things even out.......
Ratickle
Founding Member / Super Moderator
Southeast Asia is just getting in there also. China is outsourcing to Nam.....:ack2:
T2x
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Geronimo36
Charter Member
all the more reason for people to act and do things responsibly in these times....not vote yourself out of a job, knowing what's going on around us!
Offshoredrillin
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Go rent "Roots" and tell me how that turned out for us....
Offshoredrillin
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the evo/blockhead hit the market in 85, along with belt drive secondary, 85 softails and low rides were still chain, along with the new concept of rubber mounting/isolated motor mounts.
MarylandMark
Charter Member
Company says the offer stands but the unions own rules won't let them vote on the same issue twice. Talk tough, call the companies bluff = o sheet when reality sets in.
Ratickle
Founding Member / Super Moderator
They aired a union member interview this morning on the news. He said "I didn't think this would really happen". Well maybe you should have voted to keep your job then
I'm sure the union big boys (literally, I saw the pics), will tell them all will be okay .........:boxing_smiley:
They aired a union member interview this morning on the news. He said "I didn't think this would really happen". Well maybe you should have voted to keep your job then
How many times does it have to happen in other places for them to believe it's possible?
Scarab KV
New member
They aired a union member interview this morning on the news. He said "I didn't think this would really happen". Well maybe you should have voted to keep your job then
Imagine that:leaving:
MacGyver
Charter Member
Then he'll say "Has anyone seen my sandwich?" :26:
MacGyver
Charter Member
Now the union leaders says no re-vote will happen.....
Union Leaders Say There Will Be No Re-vote of Mercury Marine Contract
Updated: Aug 27, 2009 4:23 PM CDT
By Natalie Arnold
Mercury Marine says it's deal to keep manufacturing jobs in Fond du Lac is still on the table until midnight Saturday, and petitions are circulating at the plant calling for another vote on the contract.
But the machinists union at Mercury Marine tells Action 2 News there will be no re-vote on the company's final contract offer.
Union members voted down the company's offer Sunday. It included concessions Mercury Marine officials claim are needed to keep the company competitive and keep about 2,000 jobs in Fond du Lac.
Union workers overwhelmingly rejected the offer in a vote Sunday. Forty-five minutes later, Mercury Marine announced it would begin moving its manufacturing operations to Stillwater, Oklahoma -- a process it says will take two to three years.
The questions about whether the union could even have a second vote on the contract offer seem to have been answered.
"Our international, at this point in time, the changes that we made, the issues that I typed up and clarified that came out of the proposal, doesn't seem to be enough," union coordinator Dan Longsine said.
Also saying no is the union's chief negotiator, Russell Krings. He told Action 2 News over the phoned us, "For us to re-vote there needs to be a substantial change in the contract."
Mercury Marine's response is the same it's been since the first vote on Sunday.
"The contract is what it is in order to make the company competitive, and therefore we are not able to open the contract and make changes," company spokesman Steve Fleming said.
It's an answer that continues to make the union leadership angry. The union says if given the chance, they believe the two sides could reach a compromise.
But Mercury Marine isn't budging and now apparently neither is the union.
Governor Jim Doyle says the State has offered Mercury Marine an aggressive incentive package to stay in Fond du Lac.
Though he did not go into details about what's in the package, the governor said, "This incentive package is built on economic development programs created in my recent budget with these situations in mind. These incentives are 'performance-based,' and in order for the company to maximize the full value of the incentives it must meet certain milestones including the creation and retention of nearly 2,700 jobs and maintaining a significant presence in Fond du Lac for 12 years."
The Fond du Lac County Board has a special meeting Thursday night to review another incentive package to keep Mercury Marine's corporate headquarters in Fond du Lac. That would save about 800 salaried jobs.
They're reviewing a package put together Wednesday by the Fond du Lac City Council. No details are being made public.
Mercury Marine wants it to include financial assistance for releasing new products, the city council president said.
Union Leaders Say There Will Be No Re-vote of Mercury Marine Contract
Updated: Aug 27, 2009 4:23 PM CDT
By Natalie Arnold
Mercury Marine says it's deal to keep manufacturing jobs in Fond du Lac is still on the table until midnight Saturday, and petitions are circulating at the plant calling for another vote on the contract.
But the machinists union at Mercury Marine tells Action 2 News there will be no re-vote on the company's final contract offer.
Union members voted down the company's offer Sunday. It included concessions Mercury Marine officials claim are needed to keep the company competitive and keep about 2,000 jobs in Fond du Lac.
Union workers overwhelmingly rejected the offer in a vote Sunday. Forty-five minutes later, Mercury Marine announced it would begin moving its manufacturing operations to Stillwater, Oklahoma -- a process it says will take two to three years.
The questions about whether the union could even have a second vote on the contract offer seem to have been answered.
"Our international, at this point in time, the changes that we made, the issues that I typed up and clarified that came out of the proposal, doesn't seem to be enough," union coordinator Dan Longsine said.
Also saying no is the union's chief negotiator, Russell Krings. He told Action 2 News over the phoned us, "For us to re-vote there needs to be a substantial change in the contract."
Mercury Marine's response is the same it's been since the first vote on Sunday.
"The contract is what it is in order to make the company competitive, and therefore we are not able to open the contract and make changes," company spokesman Steve Fleming said.
It's an answer that continues to make the union leadership angry. The union says if given the chance, they believe the two sides could reach a compromise.
But Mercury Marine isn't budging and now apparently neither is the union.
Governor Jim Doyle says the State has offered Mercury Marine an aggressive incentive package to stay in Fond du Lac.
Though he did not go into details about what's in the package, the governor said, "This incentive package is built on economic development programs created in my recent budget with these situations in mind. These incentives are 'performance-based,' and in order for the company to maximize the full value of the incentives it must meet certain milestones including the creation and retention of nearly 2,700 jobs and maintaining a significant presence in Fond du Lac for 12 years."
The Fond du Lac County Board has a special meeting Thursday night to review another incentive package to keep Mercury Marine's corporate headquarters in Fond du Lac. That would save about 800 salaried jobs.
They're reviewing a package put together Wednesday by the Fond du Lac City Council. No details are being made public.
Mercury Marine wants it to include financial assistance for releasing new products, the city council president said.
MacGyver
Charter Member
At 10PM Saturday night, just 2 hours before Mercury's deadline, the union decided to have a re-vote. Results won't be known until later today.
FOND DU LAC — Fond du Lac city and county offers of incentive packages to keep Mercury Marine headquarters in Fond du Lac were moving forward in earnest Saturday.
County Executive Allen Buechel said the future would be focused on retaining Mercury's marketing, administration and research development operations in Fond du Lac.
Keeping the company's headquarters in Fond du Lac would mean saving up to 900 jobs.
Until late Saturday, it appeared the manufacturing portion of the operation (about 850 jobs) would be moving to Mercury's non-union plant in Stillwater, Okla.
About 10 p.m., however, union officials said they would be conducting a second vote on the contract that workers rejected earlier in the week.
They said the voting would begin Saturday night and could stretch into today.
Members of International Association of Machinists (IAM) and Aerospace Workers Lodge 1947 were given a midnight Saturday deadline to accept a modified contract that called for a seven-year wage freeze and a 30 percent pay cut for new hires and laid-off employees called back to work. Other major changes included higher health-care costs and mandatory overtime.
The incentive packages would be modified from stronger offers, Buechel said, when an agreement would have involved moving hundreds of jobs from Stillwater to Fond du Lac and growing the community's largest manufacturer.
Company spokesman Mark Lee said Saturday that although a final decision on the headquarters has not been set, company officials have been using Labor Day as an approximation.
Meanwhile, IAM Lodge 1947 leadership had been calling for additional meetings with the company rather than a second vote. The IAM said it was time for a new round of labor negotiations with the company.
"These workers and this community deserve more than a rushed process with an artificial deadline that failed to deliver a solution that worked for everyone," said Philip Gruber, an IAM Midwest territory vice president, in a statement.
Gruber said the union is prepared to meet anytime, anywhere, to create a proposal that fairly addresses the needs of "this company and the future of the community."
City Manager Tom Herre said there are still too many things in play to look far into the future.
"I remain optimistic as we continue discussions about company headquarters," he said.
Gov. Jim Doyle called the state's incentive offer to Mercury "aggressive" and built on his economic development programs.
"These incentives are 'performance-based' and in order for the company to maximize the full value of the incentives, it must meet certain milestones, including the creation and retention of nearly 2,700 jobs and maintaining a significant presence in Fond du Lac for 12 years," Doyle said Friday in a press release.
Lee said the company's decision was final when the union turned down the contract proposal.
The process of transitioning jobs to Stillwater would take between 24 and 36 months. The transition plan would include scheduled layoffs, Lee said.
The current union contract with Fond du Lac workers runs until 2012.
FOND DU LAC — Fond du Lac city and county offers of incentive packages to keep Mercury Marine headquarters in Fond du Lac were moving forward in earnest Saturday.
County Executive Allen Buechel said the future would be focused on retaining Mercury's marketing, administration and research development operations in Fond du Lac.
Keeping the company's headquarters in Fond du Lac would mean saving up to 900 jobs.
Until late Saturday, it appeared the manufacturing portion of the operation (about 850 jobs) would be moving to Mercury's non-union plant in Stillwater, Okla.
About 10 p.m., however, union officials said they would be conducting a second vote on the contract that workers rejected earlier in the week.
They said the voting would begin Saturday night and could stretch into today.
Members of International Association of Machinists (IAM) and Aerospace Workers Lodge 1947 were given a midnight Saturday deadline to accept a modified contract that called for a seven-year wage freeze and a 30 percent pay cut for new hires and laid-off employees called back to work. Other major changes included higher health-care costs and mandatory overtime.
The incentive packages would be modified from stronger offers, Buechel said, when an agreement would have involved moving hundreds of jobs from Stillwater to Fond du Lac and growing the community's largest manufacturer.
Company spokesman Mark Lee said Saturday that although a final decision on the headquarters has not been set, company officials have been using Labor Day as an approximation.
Meanwhile, IAM Lodge 1947 leadership had been calling for additional meetings with the company rather than a second vote. The IAM said it was time for a new round of labor negotiations with the company.
"These workers and this community deserve more than a rushed process with an artificial deadline that failed to deliver a solution that worked for everyone," said Philip Gruber, an IAM Midwest territory vice president, in a statement.
Gruber said the union is prepared to meet anytime, anywhere, to create a proposal that fairly addresses the needs of "this company and the future of the community."
City Manager Tom Herre said there are still too many things in play to look far into the future.
"I remain optimistic as we continue discussions about company headquarters," he said.
Gov. Jim Doyle called the state's incentive offer to Mercury "aggressive" and built on his economic development programs.
"These incentives are 'performance-based' and in order for the company to maximize the full value of the incentives, it must meet certain milestones, including the creation and retention of nearly 2,700 jobs and maintaining a significant presence in Fond du Lac for 12 years," Doyle said Friday in a press release.
Lee said the company's decision was final when the union turned down the contract proposal.
The process of transitioning jobs to Stillwater would take between 24 and 36 months. The transition plan would include scheduled layoffs, Lee said.
The current union contract with Fond du Lac workers runs until 2012.
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