Major mods to a kevlar hull

[Steve 1]

Is there a way to tell if it is epoxy or not? There is approx 2 inches of core, I have not taken a measurment it is just an estimate. lots of extra stringers.

I was looking at glassing in a sub structure to support the hull during the mods with the future shape already there. The deck is already gone in the dumpster. I have a feeling if I do not support the hull it will warp when we cut it. We are new to this. This is why I am asking.

I recently made a naca on the cnc as a guide for a rotozip, plus .625. It worked really well but it was a simple 1 inch thick, glass on both sides, penske board.

I can just wood screw the guides to the bottom right?

Thanks again for the input

pat W

Steve, we had to race against your boats in Dubai, I was with M13,M7,M1 in 95/96 that was fun, Abu Dahbi was tough, seemed like 30 boats. Were you there with Doug? Do you still make wooden hulls?

The Kuwaitis hired me; the prototypes I do are all in wood ..the running One offs are Corecell or Airex I built about 24 of them so far Cats and Vees. A friend of mine got killed in Abu Dhabi right in front of me in a RIB I stopped racing and built boats that killed bad guys (patrol and gun boats) we had about 30 of them in the Gulf then got the bug again!

Doug was a great guy and one of a kind.

 

[shifter]

Ginger,

It is an 1985 or 1986. I will get some photos when I make it back to AZ. Was this boat done with a chopper gun? It did not look very good on the inside, the stringers were a little chunky.

Steve,

I was wondering what it would cost not to go this route but to make a prototype out of wood? 44x9x9.

What year were you racing over there?
pat W

 

[Steve 1]

Ginger,

It is an 1985 or 1986. I will get some photos when I make it back to AZ. Was this boat done with a chopper gun? It did not look very good on the inside, the stringers were a little chunky.

Steve,

I was wondering what it would cost not to go this route but to make a prototype out of wood? 44x9x9.

What year were you racing over there?
pat W

Running Prototype?

My boats ran 92-95 then we had a death and ran only national races in Kuwait after that I came home in 2000.

 

[shifter]

I think that Victory did not run that race something about the not letting the divers up in the chopper smooth on the inside and rough on the outside..... I was there in 95 with M-13.

The boat would want to be a running prototype.

pat W

 

[Offshore Ginger]

Pat there is chop involved in there layup and what i saw was mat, but they very well could have used a chopper gun in some part of the build . All in all the old Cougar's were built like a brick $hit house . :seeya:

 

[Steve 1]

I think that Victory did not run that race something about the not letting the divers up in the chopper smooth on the inside and rough on the outside..... I was there in 95 with M-13.

The boat would want to be a running prototype.

pat W

That’s right there was a Weather delay in the race we ran an "S" Boat Made the steps that day even with the driver going out to the sea buoy. The Italians wanted to buy my boat and that made me feel good and the homicidal thing went away. I was sitting in the turn right next to Doug as you come out of the Cornish run. Watching the “M” class run.

 

[shifter]

We were running against M-1 that race. We tried a major change compared to the sister boat that race. We changed the overall ratio to compensate for the change from v-8 to v 6's. I was working with Serralles on the 3 speeds for Saeed. Kalfans boat had 2-speeds and 500lbs less. They were running 108 inside and 103 outside and we were running 108 all the way around. We were also running the prototype dry-sump #4 drives that race. I have pics of all that somewhere....


Back to today.... What direction would you take? Clean sheet of paper or hotrod an existing hull.

pat W

 

[shifter]

found a pic and saved it for Ginger, as you can see.....daunting.

pat W

 

[Offshore Ginger]

found a pic and saved it for Ginger, as you can see.....daunting.

pat W

Pat l@@ks like a Cougar to me , notiched transom , typical Cougar red bilge and did she come with saddle tanks and if so are you going to reuse them ? Pat very interesting progect .

 

[Steve 1]

We were running against M-1 that race. We tried a major change compared to the sister boat that race. We changed the overall ratio to compensate for the change from v-8 to v 6's. I was working with Serralles on the 3 speeds for Saeed. Kalfans boat had 2-speeds and 500lbs less. They were running 108 inside and 103 outside and we were running 108 all the way around. We were also running the prototype dry-sump #4 drives that race. I have pics of all that somewhere....


Back to today.... What direction would you take? Clean sheet of paper or hotrod an existing hull.

pat W

We had 4 boats there that day a couple RIBs and Two Cats The usual games with the scrutinizers I got to keep the canards but the cowlings had to go .we lost I RIB in a rollover (canopy failed) I was going to get Doug to do my motors for the next race which was the next step.

Myself I would just build a new hull it goes quick with what we have nowadays.

 

[shifter]

They could not get the tanks out so they cut them out in pieces. The plan is to move the tank under the cockpit. I am still wondering what is under the tanks. Looks like 1/4 ply and hollow/5 ft long.... curtis secret stash.....

I guess if we make all these changes and do not splash it then we are ok. It is more of a proof of concept. What do you guys think about penske board?

Steve,

I would still like to know what kind of money is needed to make a mold the right way. I do not really want to go through all the bother to mod the old hull and the strip it to make a plug out of it.

All of a Quiver had fairings on the deck, were your cowlings the ones that were pointy?

pat W

 

[Steve 1]

They could not get the tanks out so they cut them out in pieces. The plan is to move the tank under the cockpit. I am still wondering what is under the tanks. Looks like 1/4 ply and hollow/5 ft long.... curtis secret stash.....

I guess if we make all these changes and do not splash it then we are ok. It is more of a proof of concept. What do you guys think about penske board?

Steve,

I would still like to know what kind of money is needed to make a mold the right way. I do not really want to go through all the bother to mod the old hull and the strip it to make a plug out of it.

All of a Quiver had fairings on the deck, were your cowlings the ones that were pointy?

pat W

Give me a block size of the project LxWxH so I can work out material pricing without getting into your design specifics.

My cowlings were pointed as I was also aside from airflow concerned about the water inpact on them which turned out to be a non issue.

 

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My cowlings were pointed as I was also aside from airflow concerned about the water inpact on them which turned out to be a non issue.

Something like this ?

 

[shifter]

44 long X 9 foot wide X 5 tall. Maybe 12 wide....

Those are the ones. Shame on you for thinking outside the box.....

pat W

 

[Steve 1]

44 long X 9 foot wide X 5 tall. Maybe 12 wide....

Those are the ones. Shame on you for thinking outside the box.....

pat W

I will put something togeather for you!

 

[Steve 1]

When they weighed me out I was warned if the boat was 1Kg under they were going to ban me for a year. First off the scale tolerance was more than that so it got my attention.
Second everyone stopped what they were doing and gathered around when they weighed my boat and Plus the unknown distance that the Driver let’s say error to be kind took in extra fuel and finally my calculations based on a simple scale made from a steering ram and a gauge back at the shop and working alone.

I had a ballast system I could adjust to the gram if needed and I had enough time for second thoughts on shaving things that close, like this may hurt in front of the World.

Long and short of it +18 KGs

 

[Offshore Ginger]

Shiffter , just curious do you have a drawing of what you might be heading towards as far as a deck ? Pat i have a lot of expierence in this , from adding more freeboard , custom deck's, canopy boats from race to pleasure and just the opposite and if i can be of any assistance as far as ideas , i would be more then happy to help ............ artie - AKA / OFFSHORE GINGER / G.G.

 

[shifter]

Arti,

I see that you are homeless can you come to cali or would you want the boat to sleep in??????

We are not glass people so I just need to get some quotes together and I will put it on a plate to the owner. I just reworked another hull and got screwed by the locals so that is why we are looking outside cali. I do not like talking out of my ass so I do my homework. To me this all seemed possible and so far it is.

You guys have been a great help so far.

pat W

 

[Steve 1]

Arti,

I see that you are homeless can you come to cali or would you want the boat to sleep in??????

We are not glass people so I just need to get some quotes together and I will put it on a plate to the owner. I just reworked another hull and got screwed by the locals so that is why we are looking outside cali. I do not like talking out of my ass so I do my homework. To me this all seemed possible and so far it is.

You guys have been a great help so far.

pat W

Check Your PM

 

[Offshore Ginger]

SHIFTER , i will be sending you a PM.