Let's try a different approach

[Tague]

I believe complete motor inspections that are a open book would help the sport. I have watched several boats get away with alot. When that is repeated over and over it leaves a bad taste. Some classes have been destroyed by cheating, but nodody wants to call out the cheater. The people in charge are afraid they might lose that boat at their next race. What happens instead is that boat shows up and the other boats start dropping out little by little. There is alot of improvment that could happen here, One of the best inspections I seen in years was at St. Clair with a inspector named Anthony Smith and that was several years ago.

Just my 2 cents
ALVIN

Cheating goes on, there is no question about it. There are rules in the book on protests,teardowns and penalty's. If I knew for a fact that one of the other teams in my class was cheating. I would spend the money and tear them down in a second. Most teams that I have seen get there butt's handed to them and can't take loosing. There afraid to tear the winner down because how would that look if nothing is found. That's why the best way to handle possible cheating is within the class.

 

[MOBILEMERCMAN]

Rules need to be easily inspected. I like sealed motor spec classes and Swapping ECM's at events.

Some car classes put a value on a motor. So it can be bought after the race. It discourages investing in a cheater motor.

 

[MOBILEMERCMAN]

I think currently the bigger problem is lack of boats in upper classes.

People spend so much to race unchallenged. How do you stop that?

No flags, Checks, or titles for solo runs in upper classes?

 

[MarylandMark]

Some car classes put a value on a motor. So it can be bought after the race. It discourages investing in a cheater motor.

I think the APBA had that- $6K after the race and it was yours?

I'd put it at like cost + 10% (or whatever) so if the motor did turn out to be "stock" the buyer didn't gain any thing and the seller "made" a buck off it.

Some motors are just built better than others so may not be worth the seller losing a good motor but it happens. Heck- they can buy it back after the next race if it is that good and then if someone else wants it sell it after that race and net a few bucks overall.

 

[phragle]

engine claimer classes, I have seen one instance where someone dominated a few races in a car class lie that, several racers pooled their money, claimed the motor and parted it out. I got the pistons for my play car .

 

[XtremeRacing]

Class reps need to work with the Org. and police their class best they can. If they stay on top of it as a class it works much better.

 

[DIRTY DUCK]

I think the APBA had that- $6K after the race and it was yours?

I'd put it at like cost + 10% (or whatever) so if the motor did turn out to be "stock" the buyer didn't gain any thing and the seller "made" a buck off it.

Some motors are just built better than others so may not be worth the seller losing a good motor but it happens. Heck- they can buy it back after the next race if it is that good and then if someone else wants it sell it after that race and net a few bucks overall.

I feel it is a shame for a racer to have to put up the money for tear down or protest, If a inspector is on his game he should be able to police it pretty damn good. Paying for a protest, I feel is more of a deterrent to stop people from complaining. APBA OPC inspections was the best I ever saw, they were pretty detailed and some racers still got away with it. You will never stop the cheating or bending the rules or the gray areas. When you have inspectors that have monday jobs and need to blow through a boat at the end of the day on Sunday. What do you think is going to happen?

 

[Ratickle]

For the rest of us,

Can some of you guys start a thread on engine tech for teardown, control, etc.?

I thought with the new technology, measuring CU IN, Compression, and ECU was pretty cut and dried. And easy. Wrong?

 

[DAREDEVIL]

I feel it is a shame for a racer to have to put up the money for tear down or protest, If a inspector is on his game he should be able to police it pretty damn good. Paying for a protest, I feel is more of a deterrent to stop people from complaining. APBA OPC inspections was the best I ever saw, they were pretty detailed and some racers still got away with it. You will never stop the cheating or bending the rules or the gray areas. When you have inspectors that have monday jobs and need to blow through a boat at the end of the day on Sunday. What do you think is going to happen?

Is that why OSS payed there inspector 6 figures ??????

Look where there at now,,,,,OPA ,,hahaha:rofl:

SORRY COULD NOT RESIST

 

[SVL66]

OSS didnt pay their inspectors 6 figures. Get your facts straight. Your not gonna make any friends by bashing OSS. On second thought, you dont have many any way.

Sorry ...I could not resist,,,,,ha ha ha

 

[skaterdave]

Is that why OSS payed there inspector 6 figures ??????

Look where there at now,,,,,OPA ,,hahaha:rofl:

SORRY COULD NOT RESIST

hhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaa, hhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaa, you ****s for sale jackass.

 

[DIRTY DUCK]

Is that why OSS payed there inspector 6 figures ??????

Look where there at now,,,,,OPA ,,hahaha:rofl:

SORRY COULD NOT RESIST

Typical attitude why this sport does not move forward! So many of you guys share the same passion, but get bent out of shape so bad over three letters Sbi,Oss and Opa. Maybe when the merges happen it should be WTF!

I do think they all or you all will have to merge, not out of love but survival! I sure we have not seen the end of losing sites this year and next. If you want to continue to race you better plan way ahead. Because somebody might come up with a perfect series to make everybody happy and no place to race.

ALVIN

 

[MOBILEMERCMAN]

Scott,
And you wonder why people give you ****.

For a know it all of your caliber you should finish more races.

 

[Chris]

Scott,
And you wonder why people give you ****.

For a know it all of your caliber you should finish more races.

 

[imco offshore]

Is that why OSS payed there inspector 6 figures ??????

Look where there at now,,,,,OPA ,,hahaha:rofl:

SORRY COULD NOT RESIST

do you ever look in the mirror and wonder WHY lions eat their young. do u even know what 6 figures means? think about it ,,,,, try to read these post and learn something! :beatdeadhorse5: :beatdeadhorse5: :cuss:

 

[MOBILEMERCMAN]

Lets not get personal and resort to name calling.

 

[imco offshore]

i just think hes st,,,,,,,d 110 thinks hes a jack,,,,,s sorry it,s just a shame to waste good air

 

[phragle]

Please..we discuss ideas...not character assainate here...

 

[MOBILEMERCMAN]

What ever happened to Manatee's one design?

 

[phragle]

He didn't get the sponsorship he wanted to keep the setup at the price he wanted, so it's on hold.