Jon Stewart on the Bill O'Reilly Show

I dislike the Democrats just as much as the fascist neo-Con traitors who spend all of our money. But just as Krugman mentioned above, proper government spending can stimulate the economy or at least keep your from a Great Depression. That is why I do support the additional deficits. but the money has to go to making jobs, not simply feeding spending accounts.

My problem stems from the need for a viable opposition party that works to make progress but fights against waste. The republicans are nothing more than obstructionist making invalid arguments. one invalid argument, the deficits. it is well known that the two wars cost well over 41 trillion so far. They were never included in Bush's budget numbers. i dont know how they kept that out, but they did. So adding the numbers back in drove the deficit way up. then the recession cause lower tax revenues driving the numbers up. And of course, the spending, which I believe was necessary, drove it up further.

But to make a simply argument like we should perpetuate wars to drive the economy is not a sustainable answer. Between waging the endless wars and cutting tax rates, we caused this problem. Think about it, if you run a manufacturing business and you basically buy your own goods and cut your prices (revenues) how long will you be in business? Maybe that's not the best analogy, but it was fiscal and economic solcialism more than fiscal conservatism. I still dont understand why anyone whose livelihood or business revenue stems from government contracts could call themselves true conservatives.

Back to the issue at hand. it scares me only that we are seeing the possible rising of the Tea baggers, because they will do nothing more than take votes from true fiscal conservatives trying to gain strength in the Republian party. So Palin and her ignornats are most likely to play Ross Perot spoilers in Obama's re-election. but if Obama getting re-elected means we keep the war-mongering, fear-spreading neo-Cons out of power, I'll take that will a cold beer.

With much love,

J
 
I did not know that the cost of the war was out of one budget and in another. Interesting point. However I recall both parties voting to go to war. At some point the real story surrounding the intelligence regarding WMD may come to light, but until it does anything else is pure speculation; thus IMO, to place the blame soley on Bush or the R's is misguided. I think blaming all the deficit spending on the R's is also misguided, yes Bush signed the bills, but as I pointed out in another thread the prescription/Medicare bill was only opposed by D's that wanted to spend MORE. The facts are that the D's perticipated in the spending under Bush. Both parties share plenty of blame for where we are.

Regarding your comment that The republicans are nothing more than obstructionist making invalid arguments. My take on this is that Obama keeps blaming the R's at every opportunity. As I just pointed out, I disagree with his assesment. Why would the R's try to work with a President that continues to do nothing but point fingers...IMO Obama should have stopped that rhetoic after the election. He didn't because they had the votes to do what they wanted, and ignored the R's for the sake of pushng a far left agenda...he is now going to have to deal with the consequences, and continuing to blame the R's will do nothing but continue the deadlock; all at our expense. Obama lied he about how he was going to govern, and he and the D's will pay dearly for that. They have violated what little trust they had left in the American people.

I share your concerns regarding the Tea Party becoming a third party; I'd rather they endorse fiscally conservative, constitutionalist candidates from both sides.
 
I love how everyone was talking about how great the Palin speech was at that "tea party" (laughable). Sure, it better have been great for $100,000 for 20 min work that she didnt even write. Everyone is just kidding themselves. And how much did the promoter make at 595 ahead for the tickets? I keep saying it........ it's a business
 
I love how everyone was talking about how great the Palin speech was at that "tea party"

She doesn't have anything more than a high school freshman intellect. Hopefully she withers away. She hurts the fiscally conservative cause. :cuss:

it is well known that the two wars cost well over 41 trillion so far.

Not arguing against your points but this number is absolutely laughable. 41 trillion? come on now. :rolleyes: No matter how much you hate the war, all accounts I have read lead to 150-200 billion a year. Still too much.

A well-known liberal Nobel Prize winner in Economics.

And a card carrying Marxist. Be careful giving this piece of work too much credit. :ack2:

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She doesn't have anything more than a high school freshman intellect. Hopefully she withers away. She hurts the fiscally conservative cause. :cuss:



Not arguing against your points but this number is absolutely laughable. 41 trillion? come on now. :rolleyes: No matter how much you hate the war, all accounts I have read lead to 150-200 billion a year. Still too much.



And a card carrying Marxist. Be careful giving this piece of work too much credit. :ack2:

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I thought I was the only smart one here. Ha.

It's a type-o. Didn't coordinate the shift button and 4 at the same time. It's $1 trillion.
 
I thought I was the only smart one here. Ha.

It's a type-o. Didn't coordinate the shift button and 4 at the same time. It's $1 trillion.

:cheers2:

I am extremely (fiscally) conservative, fairly socially liberal. I agree with you on how the Religious right has corrupted what I used to call "my Party".

I am a Goldwater republican, if that still exists. I hate being punished for working hard.

BTW, We already have (from most accounts) 50-70 trillion in unfunded entitlement obligations. I fear what socialized health care will add to that.

Just buy the uninsured their own catastrophic policies, let insurance companies compete across state lines, quit making them cover crap like massage therapy and acupuncture, maybe some tort reform and limit them from denying legitimately covered procedures. That will solve 98% of the healthcare problems.

Tort reform for me could mean having a professional jury of physicians which would be true peers and loser pays legal fees in frivolous claims.

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