From a layman,s perspective... It would seem after spending toooo much time in northern Alberta and having watched several HORRIFIC crash(s) of which two appear almost identical (2011 Cat double fatality) AND (2014 "Mike Fiore" Cat fatality). Once I got my vision back I asked myself if the boating Industry was doing all it could to keep up with safety measures currently applied in other Racing venues and looking at all new available technology.There is no doubt hull, cockpit, and safety continues to be in the forefront of Manufactures(s) consideration both within and outside the Racing circuit. After watching the Outerlimits crash numerous times it became readily apparent they had a VERY MINIMAL response time available to them (1.1 seconds) or less. Really NO time in either " Blow-Overs ". Within this Era of cutting edge hull design and tremendous powerplant HP available to Professionals and Novices alike it is obvious we need to make every effort to mitigate and reduce the severity of these events within our community as much as possible.. This is not to say great effort is not already being made, however; the loss to families and our Community may be reduced further if we are able to Engineer and implement ideas "outside the box". In short I would ask for any contact info, comments or Sites that may be of help is greatly appreciated. thanks to all from ONE LANDLOCKED Wellcraft owner and HUGE powerboat enthusiast... Regards Lawrence
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Ratickle
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I have to be a bit pessimistic on this question. Mostly because this is your first post and the question is something that we have discussed behind the scenes for a long time. But some because several of those who have passed are personal friends so I do not discuss these things lightly.
So, can you tell me why you are interested and what you would like to accomplish if you receive the right information?
So, can you tell me why you are interested and what you would like to accomplish if you receive the right information?
thank-you for your prompt reply.. I will explain all if you have the time to contact myself at your convenience..could NOT think of another way to try and involve my self in issues I feel I my be able to try and help with...have some constructive ideas ...my only qualifications are I start to shake every time I watch the events.. And Safety Codes Officer-Red Seal in CANADA... which has nothing to do with offshore fyi...I sincerely would like to AT LEAST try and be involved with what we all LOVE as far as Safety is concerned.. Once again THANK-YOU... Ratickle
fund razor
Founding Member
Start here:
https://www.performanceboatcenter.c...1&s=Year&d=D&t=preowned&fr=xPreOwnedInventory
Can probably pick it up for $650,000 and become credible on the subject.
https://www.performanceboatcenter.c...1&s=Year&d=D&t=preowned&fr=xPreOwnedInventory
Can probably pick it up for $650,000 and become credible on the subject.
fund razor
Founding Member
I question the strategy of arming a non-participating well meaning "safety" aficionado with the tools to restrict the rights of others.
Ratickle
Founding Member / Super Moderator
That's why the third degree. He may change his mind about making it a retirement project. But, for the right people, things could be improved.
As I said, it's personal to me. I've lost friends I've raced with, friends on the poker run circuit, and friends in shootouts.
As I said, it's personal to me. I've lost friends I've raced with, friends on the poker run circuit, and friends in shootouts.
phragle
Charter Member
All you need to know is kinetic energy is kinetic energy, and energy can neither be created nor destroyed only transferred. 10,000 pound boat hits water (which is incompressible) at an odd angle, What is the strength of the material in the direction of force, now if the material is sufficiently strong, what is the strength of the material in the direction of the deflected force?
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fund razor
Founding Member
I like where Phragle is going with this, but actually... water will not compress. It can be displaced, but not squashed. I think it was Archimedes who suggested that if water would compress, boats would not float.
I would suggest that sometimes deflection of the force is not the best strategy, rather acceptance of the force. (ie: crumple zones.)
When my 10,000 pound boat hits water at an odd angle, I say "ow."
I would suggest that sometimes deflection of the force is not the best strategy, rather acceptance of the force. (ie: crumple zones.)
When my 10,000 pound boat hits water at an odd angle, I say "ow."
phragle
Charter Member
I fixed my statement to what it was supposed to say but was autocorrupted. I ment it does not compress....
fund razor
Founding Member
I sort of figured. You are good at science.
MOBILEMERCMAN
Founding Member / Competitor
Water does not compress but, it does grab and hold you. I have personally been banged up a few times. The ones ejected seem to have the best chance of escaping injury.
I once ran in Key West in an old Factory class. It at that time was outboard single engine and stock production twin i/o's. After running much faster boats I did not think you could get hurt at 60. I throttled with complete abandon no fear of getting hurt. On the final lap after rounding turn 1 the boat stopped. There was no , " Oh buck", I don't even really know what actually happened other then it must have hooked and turn violently right and stopped. The driver flew 30 or so feet out of the boat. I had the death grip, one hand forward on grab handle, the other holding a strap i placed between the seat and seat pedestal as I used a foot throttle. I absorbed all the energy in my left side ribs. Thru a ballistic life line I clearly broke 9 ribs. The boat sustained some damage and the driver was completely unscathed.
I have repeatedly been taught lessons of Respecting the water. It is unforgiving. The average boater lacks this respect. Many simply have no idea how fast bad things can happen.
Now I can spin my experience and say something like ," Its like racing a dirt bike; Sooner or later you hit the ground." IMO its seldom the equipment no matter how crude or sophisticated its the operator in pleasure situations and circumstance in racing. In racing you push the limits of ability and equipment. Few are smart enough to know their limitations and race for decades.
I have been really lucky. I don't like to rely on luck. And I have ABSOLUTE RESPECT for the water.
Disclaimer...No science or advanced education behind this statement of opinion. Just Real world 40 years of experience in boating.
I once ran in Key West in an old Factory class. It at that time was outboard single engine and stock production twin i/o's. After running much faster boats I did not think you could get hurt at 60. I throttled with complete abandon no fear of getting hurt. On the final lap after rounding turn 1 the boat stopped. There was no , " Oh buck", I don't even really know what actually happened other then it must have hooked and turn violently right and stopped. The driver flew 30 or so feet out of the boat. I had the death grip, one hand forward on grab handle, the other holding a strap i placed between the seat and seat pedestal as I used a foot throttle. I absorbed all the energy in my left side ribs. Thru a ballistic life line I clearly broke 9 ribs. The boat sustained some damage and the driver was completely unscathed.
I have repeatedly been taught lessons of Respecting the water. It is unforgiving. The average boater lacks this respect. Many simply have no idea how fast bad things can happen.
Now I can spin my experience and say something like ," Its like racing a dirt bike; Sooner or later you hit the ground." IMO its seldom the equipment no matter how crude or sophisticated its the operator in pleasure situations and circumstance in racing. In racing you push the limits of ability and equipment. Few are smart enough to know their limitations and race for decades.
I have been really lucky. I don't like to rely on luck. And I have ABSOLUTE RESPECT for the water.
Disclaimer...No science or advanced education behind this statement of opinion. Just Real world 40 years of experience in boating.
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fund razor
Founding Member
Is it fair to say you are suggesting that the operator is a key factor in whether any given piece of equipment is "safe?"
phragle
Charter Member
With dirt thrown in the mix (as some of you know my background) one real world observation that has stuck with me is that of all my bike and atv racing friends etc.... most bad crashes happen not racing, but prerunnng or rec riding..
When you are racing, you are focused, locked in. Rec riding, often you are going just as fast, but a different program is running......
When you are racing, you are focused, locked in. Rec riding, often you are going just as fast, but a different program is running......
MOBILEMERCMAN
Founding Member / Competitor
Yes.
fund razor
Founding Member
I agree Jim, I just don't bring your credibility on the subject. I am a rec runner, and was never a racer on any level whatsoever. I understand the "zone," because I was a professional musician, but I can't relate to the risk. I rode the edge of a different envelope.
Your point that the person running the machine, at the end of the day, means so much more than any single (or compounded, for that matter) design change or safety-related enhancement or even rule, is critical to this discussion. Thanks for making it.
Your point that the person running the machine, at the end of the day, means so much more than any single (or compounded, for that matter) design change or safety-related enhancement or even rule, is critical to this discussion. Thanks for making it.
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