Hull manufacture picked for New Racing Series

[MANITIE]

WOW, this has really taken shape quickly for ya gino.......I am sure it has been a lot of work and well worth it.....I cant wait to see ya guys run in O.C.........That was the first place i raced at....That is were i realized how important it is to have a engine builder that has race support.....Frank (scorpion racing engines) flew there to support us in our first race he had two other boats their beside ours and spent most of the time helping each of us as much as he could....He is at a lot of races for the teams that run his motors, great guy and a knowledgeable as they come.....Good luck and keep us posted.....:26::26::26::26:

Nocigarette...you are right....that's what every Series needs...a engine builder that is willing to help the teams that are racing there product...its a win win for both the builder and the racer....

 

[MANITIE]

Congrats Gino! Finally someone with a plan. Looks like you have all the bases covered. Best of luck to you in this new endeavor.

Trent

Thanks Trent....and you being a F1 guy...I would hope you would be part of our Series one day....we all have talked about the old days in F1...but how great would it be to have the newer F1 guys like yourself..racing against some of them old timers like Steve M. (Sorry Steve) going at it....

 

[MANITIE]

After talking to a lot of guys that are interested...we will be going with Dry pipes....some have asked...will they be tractor pipes coming streight up or out the transom...I have heard the + and - of both sides but have not made that decision yet...and feel free to give anymore input in....

 

[AIR TIME]

gino congrats hey you could go to a bravo1 x they are close to a bravo in price and have a tower, and finned heavy cap like the xr but with bravo gears which will wear longer and use less hp than the xr cut gears which are stonger but slower. I have had a 89bravo1 on my boat with 585hp to 650 hp from 95 to 05 thats ten years with 600hp and before that with 330 and 390hp from 89 to 94 . the drive still worked put was to old for a imco shortie so I put together a 01 drive with a shortie in 06 it ran good all stock until it was stolen in 07. so the b1 x should be perfect for 450hp. good luck I hope to build a 28 joker, I got a new DEAN GELLNER 1050hp being built for my 24 now but plan on putting it in a 28 joker just need to save some more cash like I did with the motor no loans just cash ha hah

 

[MANITIE]

gino congrats hey you could go to a bravo1 x they are close to a bravo in price and have a tower, and finned heavy cap like the xr but with bravo gears which will wear longer and use less hp than the xr cut gears which are stonger but slower. I have had a 89bravo1 on my boat with 585hp to 650 hp from 95 to 05 thats ten years with 600hp and before that with 330 and 390hp from 89 to 94 . the drive still worked put was to old for a imco shortie so I put together a 01 drive with a shortie in 06 it ran good all stock until it was stolen in 07. so the b1 x should be perfect for 450hp. good luck I hope to build a 28 joker, I got a new DEAN GELLNER 1050hp being built for my 24 now but plan on putting it in a 28 joker just need to save some more cash like I did with the motor no loans just cash ha hah

Right now I'm working on running the HP gimble with a XR....but to do that and keep the boat under 50k I need to get a few other big part items prices down with some sponsorship assistance....but with a little luck and some more assistance I think it can still be done.....
Thanks for some good input and giving us some options....

 

[MarylandMark]

I will be giving the Series name to the biggest sponsor for that year...like NASCAR dose...like the NEXTEL SERIES and SPRINT SERIES.....I have included a 2 year deal to both the engines manufactures for the Series name with there sponsorship and my requirements...so the first 2 years it will be one of them....after that I will give them first rights for a new contracts and accociate sponsors will be located right after the race number on the boat.....and will be done on a yearly bases....as far as the name of the Series...like NASCAR

FWIW- I do not like this idea. Boat racing is confusing enough with 10 different orgs running 50 different classes (random numbers but you get the point). Changing the name every year would add to the mess.

Nascar was "Winston Cup" for 32 years and then Nextel signed a 10 year deal. 2 names in almost 4 decades- consistency works well.

The only reason it went from Nextel to Sprint-Nextel to Sprint Cup had nothing to do with the series; was because the phone companies merged. (saying if the phone company stayed named "Nextel" the series would have as well).

Biggest $$ sponsor gets best decal placement- after a few years if the series takes off (hopefully it will!!) then award the top sponsor with a long term deal with series naming part of the package.

 

[F1-00 Racing]

Mark,

I see your point but Nascar is 61 years old and was turning 21 when RjR became the title sponsor and hence Winston Cup was born. What did Nascar call their series for the 21 years b4 that?(I remember Grand National, but thats about all I remember)

Gino needs all he can get to lure money and/or contengiencies out of a potential sponsor right now. If it(the series) changes names for the next 21 years thats great cause that means the series is still up and going. In these economic times having a title series sponsor even for just year to year will be monumental. Yes I agree with you down the road about consistency, but you have to crawl b4 you walk.

Remember also, look at what is going on in nascar now, dei/ganassi started last year with 6 teams, now they will be down to 2 after the 500. As much as I hate to admit it, lets be real, Offshore racing is at the bottom of the motorsports foodchain! basically because of what you mentioned above, too many groups, too many classes, the real reason....egoes. And as long as sandbagging is allowed, P class will remain the joke of offshore.

What Gino is doing is innovative and it will work.

Trent

 

[MANITIE]

FWIW- I do not like this idea. Boat racing is confusing enough with 10 different orgs running 50 different classes (random numbers but you get the point). Changing the name every year would add to the mess.

Nascar was "Winston Cup" for 32 years and then Nextel signed a 10 year deal. 2 names in almost 4 decades- consistency works well.

The only reason it went from Nextel to Sprint-Nextel to Sprint Cup had nothing to do with the series; was because the phone companies merged. (saying if the phone company stayed named "Nextel" the series would have as well).

Biggest $$ sponsor gets best decal placement- after a few years if the series takes off (hopefully it will!!) then award the top sponsor with a long term deal with series naming part of the package.

Hi Mark....thank you for your input.....here is why I have choise to take this approach....
First....As we all know, to get any sponsor to put up there money you have to show a good return on there money....to put a sticker on a car or boat is not the advertising....even if there are 100k fans in the stands watching...your not going to see a sticker on the car at that distance and thats not the advertising....its the TV that is doing the advertsing for them...the camera shoots that show the name....and they also go after that driver/team that fans are loyal to...that also will get people to buy there product....We in Offshore do not have that backing with that kind of following....But the one thing I have learned in sponsorship in Offshore is that it is a lot easier to approach a company with a big name Series sponsor backing your race Series....it shows credibility along with the big marketing furms that work for these company do a lot of calculating to make sure they will get there return from it....so my first approach was, I need to make it easier for the race teams to get sponsors..becasue with them having some backing, it takes alot of the finacial berdon off the owner...second the more real name sponsors that are backing our teams it gives even more credibilty to the Series...Thats also why I will hold littler siminars on getting sponsorships to help out teams...In the 9 years of racing, in all the meetings I had with potental sponsors...this question has come up everytime..." What major companys are currently sponsoring your sport"...and if there is none...there next question is "WHY NOT" your sell becomes that much harder....

Second...The thinking is....I want to keep my engine manufacture as long as I can as the Series sponsor...outside of the hull...it is the most important part of racing....it is also the reason I am taking as long as I am with the whole sponsorship package....I am talking with them on long term contracts....but I'm not going to close the door on myself either....times are very tough...but like any business....if our Series brings in potential sponsors that see a certain value to them...and they want to put up a dollor amount that is more then the curent Series sponsor at the end of there contract...of course you will look at that....and you also have to remember....we have to pay our race teams....that money has to come from somewhere....but the brand name will be the name of the Series....that will not change....only the Series sponsor name has a chance of changing at the end of there contracts....there is also a lot more to what I just wrote that is also involved but....but I hope this will explain the reason behind my thinking.....

Thanks again Mark for your comments.....

 

[MANITIE]

Mark,

I see your point but Nascar is 61 years old and was turning 21 when RjR became the title sponsor and hence Winston Cup was born. What did Nascar call their series for the 21 years b4 that?(I remember Grand National, but thats about all I remember)

Gino needs all he can get to lure money and/or contengiencies out of a potential sponsor right now. If it(the series) changes names for the next 21 years thats great cause that means the series is still up and going. In these economic times having a title series sponsor even for just year to year will be monumental. Yes I agree with you down the road about consistency, but you have to crawl b4 you walk.

Remember also, look at what is going on in nascar now, dei/ganassi started last year with 6 teams, now they will be down to 2 after the 500. As much as I hate to admit it, lets be real, Offshore racing is at the bottom of the motorsports foodchain! basically because of what you mentioned above, too many groups, too many classes, the real reason....egoes. And as long as sandbagging is allowed, P class will remain the joke of offshore.

What Gino is doing is innovative and it will work.

Trent

Trent....thanks for your response....and you are exactly right....if there are companys that are willing to out bid for a Series sponsorship at the end of ones contract...then yes....we have built something that has value and will have made great strides for our sport...

 

[MarylandMark]

Good points and thanks for your insight!

 

[2TR]

And as long as sandbagging is allowed, P class will remain the joke of offshore.


Trent

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[F1-00 Racing]

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Whats your question, Rick?

My statement looks pretty black and white to me:sifone:


Disclaimer: referring to ALL P class, not any particular organization and/or club

also with this being a whole can of worms unto itself, I can be reached in the evenings @321-508-3077 if you care to discuss. I dont want to taint Gino's productive thread any further.

Good luck Gino and by all means if there is any help I can offer, by all means let me know and if you want to relive your days in F1 just let me know, I'll bring the "flying cofin" out of retirement only for you. shes up to 90.4 now. not bad for a stock 500.

Trent

 

[nocigarette]

"I dont want to taint Gino's productive thread any further."

well said......lets get back to the task at hand.....

 

[Wazzup Racing]

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ass ole

 

[MOBILEMERCMAN]

ass ole

2TR didn't make the comment F1-00 did

 

[Tyler Crockett]

Hi Mark....thank you for your input.....here is why I have choise to take this approach....
First....As we all know, to get any sponsor to put up there money you have to show a good return on there money....to put a sticker on a car or boat is not the advertising....even if there are 100k fans in the stands watching...your not going to see a sticker on the car at that distance and thats not the advertising....its the TV that is doing the advertsing for them...the camera shoots that show the name....and they also go after that driver/team that fans are loyal to...that also will get people to buy there product....We in Offshore do not have that backing with that kind of following....But the one thing I have learned in sponsorship in Offshore is that it is a lot easier to approach a company with a big name Series sponsor backing your race Series....it shows credibility along with the big marketing furms that work for these company do a lot of calculating to make sure they will get there return from it....so my first approach was, I need to make it easier for the race teams to get sponsors..becasue with them having some backing, it takes alot of the finacial berdon off the owner...second the more real name sponsors that are backing our teams it gives even more credibilty to the Series...Thats also why I will hold littler siminars on getting sponsorships to help out teams...In the 9 years of racing, in all the meetings I had with potental sponsors...this question has come up everytime..." What major companys are currently sponsoring your sport"...and if there is none...there next question is "WHY NOT" your sell becomes that much harder....

Second...The thinking is....I want to keep my engine manufacture as long as I can as the Series sponsor...outside of the hull...it is the most important part of racing....it is also the reason I am taking as long as I am with the whole sponsorship package....I am talking with them on long term contracts....but I'm not going to close the door on myself either....times are very tough...but like any business....if our Series brings in potential sponsors that see a certain value to them...and they want to put up a dollor amount that is more then the curent Series sponsor at the end of there contract...of course you will look at that....and you also have to remember....we have to pay our race teams....that money has to come from somewhere....but the brand name will be the name of the Series....that will not change....only the Series sponsor name has a chance of changing at the end of there contracts....there is also a lot more to what I just wrote that is also involved but....but I hope this will explain the reason behind my thinking.....

Thanks again Mark for your comments.....

Gino how long did it take you to type all that ??

 

[MANITIE]

Tyler....I started writing it on New Years Eve....I was hoping someone would ask that question.....I just got lucky....you rat basterd.....If I didn't know better I would think you are telling me I have a writing problem....:biggrinjester:....you just get that little boat of yours ready to race against me.....because with George in the boat with you and only 450 hp....hitting the dash yelling go faster..is not going to help you....plus....how cool will it be when you take the checkerd flag on the water.....and not have to give it back at the awards:rofl:.............................Sorry....I had to go there.......but you know I'm just kidding...I'm really looking foward to running against you guys....:26:

 

[MANITIE]

While I'm waiting to hear back on one of the engine manufactures....I wanted to start on talking to some boat trailer company's....I know Myco is one of the best and is all I have ever used, but Bill T can only do but so much on his prices....anyone else know of a good boat trailer company that they have had good success with...

Thanks
Gino

 

[THEJOKER]

http://www.ameratrail.com/ Ask for Scott the owner. He was on board w/ ORL. Mention my name.

 

[MANITIE]

Thanks Brian......