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Sea-Dated
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no you dont, too many boat payments....uke:
Good point but i was actually referring to non boat owning Dr's that we know.
Geronimo36
Charter Member
True....I can't see that happening in the USA... I don't think we'll allow it...
A few months ago I had to go to the doctor because I wasn't feeling well... Called up one of the Doc's we go to and he said; "I can't see you till next week".... I said; "#1. next week I might not be sick and have to travel for business in a few days. #2. Next week I could be in the hospital."... Hung up the phone and called a different doc who saw me an hour later.... Got a perscription and was healthy in two days...
Then I had another problem with severe headaches... The doc was concerned because I had the headaches for 3 wks and was afraid I might have an aneurysm so she suggested I get an MRI done immediately.... MRI couldn't be scheduled right away so the doc. said I can go to the ER if I'm really concerned but I'd have to pay my ER co-pay... I said, f' it and went to the ER.... If I had an aneurysm I could've become a vegetable or worse dead so I went to the ER and was willing to pay whatever was needed... 3hrs later I had my MRI done and they said it was a severe case of sinusitis......
Anway, back to the main point...no waiting for this guy!:willy_nilly:
Exactly right here. Had a lady come in to the ED the other night with a headache. Within 4 hours of onset of her symptoms, she was getting a cerebral angiogram and coiling of her brain anneurysm that would have otherwise killed her. And NO INSURANCE.
This no access to health care is a bunch of crap the politicians are twisting around to suite their objectives.
BTW, after 22 years of working in the ED giving away a LOT of FREE CARE I am starting up my own business providing medical care to paying customers here in Las Vegas. Like the line from the Eagles song "Life in the fast lane" ... the doctor say he's coming but you gotta pay him cash.
One of the provisions in the House bill would have made it ILLEGAL for me to provide private quality health care to CASH-PAYING customers despite my investment of thousands of dollars for state medical and business licenses, DEA certificates, State Pharmacy board permits, electronic medical records and computer and malpractice insurance out of my own pocket. So much for investing $85,000 and 12 years of my life for a good education.
WTF has happened to America ...?
Magic Medicine
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Plain and simple economics, general practice physicians are not compensated enough. Makes no sense to pay $200K plus for a good education, have to carry very high malpractice insurance and not be well compensated for it. Don't cha think, it you went to school for 8 -12 years, you would want to be paid accordingly?? What about the years of lost potential income after completing your undergrad? My bro graduated with a degree in Bio-medical engineering before starting med school, a career in this field would have paid at least $75k to start, thats a potential 300K loss. See my point!
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MarylandMark
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Thought that by nature only happened in men? :rofl: (get it- ED; erectile dysfunction)
Wobble
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I'm not saying that they shouldn't make a decent living, but if more peeps have insurance they will be going to the GP's instead of the emergency room
Under a gov't plan they would no doubt get paid less (See Medicare/Medicaid). Now the lower income might be worth it if someone would pass some tort reform so their malpractice insurance would go down. But since this gang has seen NO need for tort reform or any protection for the malpractice insurers then the ridiculous costs will continue to keep individual GP's out of the market. Until the government takes over malpractice and then....wait are we sensing a pattern here??? I know of a Doc that had her own nice little family practice a couple of days a week and also did a couple of days at a run em in type clinic. It got to be so expensive to insure herself she gave up the individual practice and worked more at the clinic instead because of the insurance. Of course all the patients that used her family practice were effected.
MarylandMark
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I refuse to go to a Doctor that takes medical assistance. In most (not all..) cases the patients are just a different class of people and act like it.
Did you know patients can set appointments, not show and can't be charged? Doctors love "those people" taking up room on thier schedule vs paying patients.
Did you know patients can set appointments, not show and can't be charged? Doctors love "those people" taking up room on thier schedule vs paying patients.
cuda
Banned
My cousin was an ER doctor in New Orleans. He quit because he was sick of giving drugs to drug addicts. He then moved to Arkansas, and joined a Proffestional Association. Then he found out the PA was bilking Medicare, and was going to turn them in. A bunch of the other docs got together and fired my cousin. He then went to law school to sue the doctors for firing him. He graduated from law school, but the last I heard, he hadn't passed the bar.
What few people realize is that the federal government has been screwing doctors for years. If we send a bill to Medicare/Medicaid for say $100 service, they send us about $18. Now they are saying they are going to pay for all this by making more cuts. If I walked into a business and picked up a $100 item and laid $18 on the counter and walked out, I would be in handcuffs. The private insurance companies are now doing the same thing since they saw the federal governement get away with it for so long.
Frankly, the plummer and HVAC guy makes more money on a service call on the weekend or middle of the night than we do in the ED. The company I am currently employed by collects an averge of $70/patient for all emergencies across the board. Not very much when you think about it ...
Government controlled health care will be a lot more of the same thing, and the simple fact is that intelligent, talented young people are not going to go into medicine only to get paid so little and be a govenrment employee. Good luck finding a good doctor in a few years if this goes through the way the libs want.
What a lot of people don't know about is something called the Press-Ganey patient satisfaction survey. Our incentive pay (bonus pay) is affected by our PG scores. Give them more narcotics and the PG score is always higher ... we get paid better. Give them less narcotics, and the PG score is lower ... we get paid less. I call it the "Percocet-Ganey" score. The hospital administrators love it and live by it, we hate it.
Magic Medicine
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My dad is a retired dentist and after getting burned too man times his policy was no insurance, no cash, theres the f@cking door! His secretary<a good Italian girl for Jersey, could smell a dead beat a mile away!!!! LMAO
Magic Medicine
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MarylandMark
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VERY well said! That is the point I've been trying to get across since Govt Healthcare ever popped up.
fund razor
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Having covered doctor and lawyer, there is nowhere to go but Indian Chief.
fund razor
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Wow. My lawyer only gets 200 an hour. And he went to Notre Dame.
Where do I sign up for that???
I think that is a pretty gross exaggeration. Closer to $500 for the first hour of deposition, and about half of that per hour after. A doc with good credentials and big balls can probably do much better if its a high-profile legitimate case. The attorneys still make far more than the doc in the end if they win the case.
