Health Care on the Cheap

Tommy Gun

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Health Care on the Cheap

How some people try to mitigate the cost of staying healthy.

There's a parallel here: housing. Most Americans favor homeownership, but uncritical pro-homeownership policies (lax lending standards, puny down payments, hefty housing subsidies) helped cause the financial crisis. The same thing is happening with health care. The appeal of universal insurance—who, by the way, wants to be uninsured?—justifies half-truths and dubious policies. That the process is repeating itself suggests that our political leaders don't learn even from proximate calamities.

How often, for example, have you heard the emergency-room argument? The uninsured, it's said, use emergency rooms for primary care. That's expensive and ineffective. Once they're insured, they'll have regular doctors. Care will improve; costs will decline. Everyone wins. Great argument. Unfortunately, it's untrue.

A study by the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation found that the insured accounted for 83 percent of emergency-room visits, reflecting their share of the population. After Massachusetts adopted universal insurance, emergency-room use remained higher than the national average, an Urban Institute study found. More than two-fifths of visits represented non-emergencies. Of those, a majority of adult respondents to a survey said it was "more convenient" to go to the emergency room or they couldn't "get [a doctor's] appointment as soon as needed." If universal coverage makes appointments harder to get, emergency-room use may increase.

You probably think that insuring the uninsured will dramatically improve the nation's health. The uninsured don't get care or don't get it soon enough. With insurance, they won't be shortchanged; they'll be healthier. Simple.

Think again. I've written before that expanding health insurance would result, at best, in modest health gains. Studies of insurance's effects on health are hard to perform. Some find benefits; others don't. Medicare's introduction in 1966 produced no reduction in mortality; some studies of extensions of Medicaid for children didn't find gains. In the Atlantic recently, economics writer Megan McArdle examined the literature and emerged skeptical. Claims that the uninsured suffer tens of thousands of premature deaths are "open to question." Conceivably, the "lack of health insurance has no more impact on your health than lack of flood insurance," she writes.

How could this be? No one knows, but possible explanations include: (a) many uninsured are fairly healthy—about two-fifths are age 18 to 34; (b) some are too sick to be helped or have problems rooted in personal behaviors—smoking, diet, drinking or drug abuse; and (c) the uninsured already receive 50 to 70 percent of the care of the insured from hospitals, clinics and doctors, estimates the Congressional Budget Office.

Though it seems compelling, covering the uninsured is not the health-care system's major problem. The big problem is uncontrolled spending, which prices people out of the market and burdens government budgets. Obama claims his proposal checks spending. Just the opposite. When people get insurance, they use more health services. Spending rises. By the government's latest forecast, health spending goes from 17 percent of the economy in 2009 to 19 percent in 2019. Health "reform" would probably increase that.

Unless we change the fee-for-service system, costs will remain hard to control because providers are paid more for doing more. Obama might have attempted that by proposing health-care vouchers (limited amounts to be spent on insurance), which would force a restructuring of delivery systems to compete on quality and cost. Doctors, hospitals and drug companies would have to reorganize care. Obama refrained from that fight and instead cast insurance companies as the villains.

He's telling people what they want to hear, not what they need to know. Whatever their sins, insurers are mainly intermediaries; they pass along the costs of the delivery system. In 2009, the largest 14 insurers had profits of roughly $9 billion; that approached 0.4 percent of total health spending of $2.472 trillion. This hardly explains high health costs. What people need to know is that Obama's plan evades health care's major problems and would worsen the budget outlook. It's a big new spending program when government hasn't paid for the spending programs it already has.

"If not now, when? If not us, who?" Obama asks. The answer is: It's not now, and it's not "us." Pass or not, Obama's proposal is the illusion of "reform," not the real thing.

Robert Samuelson is also the author of The Great Inflation and Its Aftermath: The Past and Future of American Affluence and Untruth: Why the Conventional Wisdom Is (Almost Always) Wrong
 
I have no statistics other than my own personal experience on this one. But virtually every time I've had an issue where I felt the need to visit a physician, I was directed to the emergency room. It seems the "system" istelf is to blame on this one.

This is a pretty closely-guarded secret I learned about just a few weeks ago-

In 2009, the largest 14 insurers had profits of roughly $9 billion; that approached 0.4 percent of total health spending of $2.472 trillion.

It turns out that if we took all the evil profit out of healthcare, we could actually pay for the health needs of all Americans for something like four days of a calendar year. Wow. Those profiteering bastards.




P.S. On C&P's, can you add an attribution? We bust on the libs when they leave that off of Daily Kos propaganda. Fair is fair. The source matters.
 
P.S. On C&P's, can you add an attribution? We bust on the libs when they leave that off of Daily Kos propaganda. Fair is fair. The source matters.

Its at the bottom...Robert Samuelson...the article came from Newsweek Web Exclusive.
 
theres a big problem with their numbers about 25 million of us are unplugged and undrugged we do not use the medical system we eat healthy and manage our own health care there should be a law the the only place a health and wellness center can be placed is over your homes door! i have never taken a drug of any kind the rest of my friends take several a day now as we get older the differences are rather stunning america needs to unplug and undrug we also understand if we get cancer or other terminal illness we will refuse chemo or radiation we will die quickly and naturaly like the rest of the past 100,000 years of humans i just do not get why they pay insane cost to live in agony a few more months?
 
Why is profit a bad word? America used to be a Capitalist state; where one would want to make a profit!
 
I think there's a false belief that exhorbitant profits are the cause of our skyrocketing health care costs.

The system has problems. I'm far from an expert, but I'm going to guess that those problems, much like the problems that exist in anything this large, result from waste, inefficiency, poor management, fraud and a myriad of other issues. Each has a solution, but sometimes the solution costs more than the losses you prevent.

What Congress is proposing now really doesn't address those issues in a black-and-white fashion. What this bill does present however, is a huge volume of new rules, regulations and compliance issues. Every touchpoint in the healthcare industry is going to have to learn, understand, adapt to and comply with all these new, additional requirements. That doesn't sound like something that's going to shed costs. At least not short-term anyway.

Overall, governments have rarely made anything more efficient. And I don't know that they've ever done so by implementing a piece of overwhelmingly complex legislation full of new rules and procedures. A few thousand pages of them.
 
I think there's a false belief that exhorbitant profits are the cause of our skyrocketing health care costs.

The system has problems. I'm far from an expert, but I'm going to guess that those problems, much like the problems that exist in anything this large, result from waste, inefficiency, poor management, fraud and a myriad of other issues.

And lack of competition.
 
The lack of competition isn't in the insurance industry, but the medical supply industry.

Whether it's the drugs, durable equipment, consumable equipment....look at the profit margins of those companies. I don't begrudge the profit motive, it's what generates the motivation to improve/save lives. But nobody wants to accept the idea that modern medicine costs money. And keeping people alive by all means available isn't cheap either.

And then there's the overhead....$1.5 TRILLION annually is just going to take a lot of paperwork. No other country on this planet can compare to the volume of care we receive, at the quality we receive it.
 
That's an issue with prescription drugs. Is the government going to take over all pharmaceutical research when the drug companies quit doing it?

If there's no money to be made, what incentive do they have to make the investment? Not only do they have to make huge investments in drug research, sometimes they don't work at all and have to be scrapped. That investment has to be recouped by profits from the drug that actually does work. But here's the rub- not only do they have to do research and develop this new drug, they have to market it and get it in use quickly enough that the can hit that window of profitability before their patent expires. Now there's discussion about circumventing their ability to recoup those profits by reimporting medicines from countries that cannot economically support the costs of those drugs? A widespread adoption of reimportation isn't going to reduce drug prices. Our prices will remain the same- drug companies will just raise the prioces in secondary markets. So our prices will stay where they are, but those less expensive prescriptions in Canada will head through the roof. So we get no bennefit, but fewer Canadians have access to those pharmaceuticals. That makes sense.
 
There are certain issues with insurance that could use some reform but I believe the majority of the costs are associated with the delivery system (doctors, hospitals, drugs, labs, testing, etc). I also read that 83% of all emergency room visits are by those with insurance. I do not believe that that blaming the insurance companies and providing more people with insurance will do much at all to lower costs.
 
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