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Finally someone on the Left gets it! - Global Warming Scam

And what I find consistent about all the "warmies" is it is either their religion or their livelihood. The masses believe with absolutely no scientific proof, in fact with proof to the contrary (just like dinosaurs kinda take the blush off Adam and Eve and Noah). And the fakers take the money from the masses (think Al Gore as Jim Baker or Jimmy Swaggert).
 
jayboat said:
Yeah, ok... if you say so.

Ya know... what I find consistent with all climate change deniers is that, for them, it is not about the science, it's about being right. :ack2:
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Are you saying that you believe that man is causing major changes in the climate to occur ?
 
You're kidding, right Cat? You really think that man is the major cause of climate change on this planet? Not the sun, not ocean currents, but man. really?

Wow! I have always though of you as an intelligent person. Your opinions may conflict with most people on the website, but you seemed to have intelligence.

I am no scientist and I have not read every article published on climate change, but one thing is clear to me. The SUN is the number one driver of climate change on this planet and in the entire solar system! Anyone who truely thinks that man can have any lasting effect on the natural change in climate has a God complex. Yes, man pollutes the air ground and water, but affecting climate change? Give me a break! :rolleyes:
 
One more thing... Global Warming people point to rising world temperatures that happened at the same time as the industrial revolution as evidence of man's ability to affect climate change. I believe the reverse.

It was the natural change in climate and warmer temperatures that gave man longer growing cycles and bigger food supplies so that we were free to pursue other activities, like building machines. Recorded history shows that man has prospered in warmer temperatures. Global warming is a good thing! :D

Global warming was not caused by the industrial revolution. Global warming led to the industrial revolution! :cool:
 
jayboat said:
Yeah, ok... if you say so.

Ya know... what I find consistent with all climate change deniers is that, for them, it is not about the science, it's about being right. :ack2:
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I don't say so, the scientific community says so...politics and Gore aside.

You created a category called "Deniers." This is purely psychosemantics - a pseudo-valiant attempt to pigeon-hole and demean the critics of your fabled ideology, I must admit, but nevertheless is incredibly transparent. Your tactics of debate are laughable. Take for instance your next line, "it is not about the science, it's about being right." This is meaningless tripe, empty rhetoric. For one to comprehend the actual science on this subject matter, and for one to pursue a course of correctness (being 'right'), the two are not mutually exclusive; unless of course your on a mission of selling carbon credits. I would like you to show me the basic of your statements, just once, I defy you, please...

Quit believing your politicians, and start knowing what science is proving. See the next post for some notable quotes from your worldwide scientists, Ph.D's, nobel prize winners, climatologists, and physicists. - Note that there are no Politicians, nor any liberal editorial columnists in the list.

After several years of temperate flatlining, global temperatures have dropped sharply enough to cancel out much of their net rise in the 20th century. Did you know that it's been colder this past decade than it was during much of the 20th Century? Did you know that it was far hotter from the period ranging from about 800AD to about 950AD than it has been in the last 400 years? Are you aware that there was an mini-ice age from 1400AD to 1650AD. Why? There was no industrial revolution, nor was there any human influence to cause such events. So, how is it then that all of a sudden when its about 0.3*C warmer for a few years, that hysteria develops and some folks begin believing that there's this man-made "global warming." There is no global warming. It's myth. It's a political cause, and it's nothing more than fodder for and otherwise lackluster period of media sensation.

Astonishingly, this so-called "global "warming period coincided with a period of time nearly identical where observed solar activity was at it all-time measured peak. Conversely, now that the sun has been quiet for a few years, we're seeing global temperature collapses that has brought a winter wave of record-breaking cold, record amounts of snowfall, and an arctic ice layer which rivals that of 30 years ago...Why? did gore call the sun and tell it we have a problem over here?

2008 was the year when any pretense that there was a "scientific consensus" in favor of man-made global warming collapsed.

I really like the comparison from above: Gore Scheme [Ponzi scheme] :D

More good reading:

U. S. Senate Minority Report: Dissent Over Man-Made Global Warming Claims Scientists Continue to Debunk “Consensus” in 2008
U.S. Senate Environment and Public Works Committee
Minority Staff Report (Inhofe)
www.epw.senate.gov/minority
Released: December 11, 2008
 

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Quotes:
“I am a skeptic…Global warming has become a new religion.” - Nobel Prize Winner for Physics, Ivar Giaever.

“Since I am no longer affiliated with any organization nor receiving any funding, I can speak quite frankly….As a scientist I remain skeptical...The main basis of the claim that man’s release of greenhouse gases is the cause of the warming is based almost entirely upon climate models. We all know the frailty of models concerning the air-surface system.” - Atmospheric Scientist Dr. Joanne Simpson, the first woman in the world to receive a PhD in meteorology, and formerly of NASA, who has authored more than 190 studies and has been called “among the most preeminent scientists of the last 100 years.”

Warming fears are the “worst scientific scandal in the history…When people come to know what the truth is, they will feel deceived by science and scientists.” - UN IPCC Japanese Scientist Dr. Kiminori Itoh, an award-winning PhD environmental physical chemist.

“The IPCC has actually become a closed circuit; it doesn’t listen to others. It doesn’t have open minds… I am really amazed that the Nobel Peace Prize has been given on scientifically incorrect conclusions by people who are not geologists.” - Indian geologist Dr. Arun D. Ahluwalia at Punjab University and a board member of the UN-supported International Year of the Planet.

“So far, real measurements give no ground for concern about a catastrophic future warming.” - Scientist Dr. Jarl R. Ahlbeck, a chemical engineer at Abo Akademi University in Finland, author of 200 scientific publications and former Greenpeace member.

“Anyone who claims that the debate is over and the conclusions are firm has a fundamentally unscientific approach to one of the most momentous issues of our time.” - Solar physicist Dr. Pal Brekke, senior advisor to the Norwegian Space Centre in Oslo. Brekke has published more than 40 peer-reviewed scientific articles on the sun and solar interaction with the Earth.

“The models and forecasts of the UN IPCC "are incorrect because they only are based on mathematical models and presented results at scenarios that do not include, for example, solar activity.” - Victor Manuel Velasco Herrera, a researcher at the Institute of Geophysics of the National Autonomous University of Mexico
“It is a blatant lie put forth in the media that makes it seem there is only a fringe of scientists who don’t buy into anthropogenic global warming.” - U.S Government Atmospheric Scientist Stanley B. Goldenberg of the Hurricane Research Division of NOAA.

“Even doubling or tripling the amount of carbon dioxide will virtually have little impact, as water vapour and water condensed on particles as clouds dominate the worldwide scene and always will.” – . Geoffrey G. Duffy, a professor in the Department of Chemical and Materials Engineering of the University of Auckland, NZ.


“After reading [UN IPCC chairman] Pachauri's asinine comment [comparing skeptics to] Flat Earthers, it's hard to remain quiet.” - Climate statistician Dr. William M. Briggs, who specializes in the statistics of forecast evaluation, serves on the American Meteorological Society's Probability and Statistics Committee and is an Associate Editor of Monthly Weather Review.


“The Kyoto theorists have put the cart before the horse. It is global warming that triggers higher levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, not the other way round…A large number of critical documents submitted at the 1995 U.N. conference in Madrid vanished without a trace. As a result, the discussion was one-sided and heavily biased, and the U.N. declared global warming to be a scientific fact,” Andrei Kapitsa, a Russian geographer and Antarctic ice core researcher.


“I am convinced that the current alarm over carbon dioxide is mistaken...Fears about man-made global warming are unwarranted and are not based on good science.” - Award Winning Physicist Dr. Will Happer, Professor at the Department of Physics at Princeton University and Former Director of Energy Research at the Department of Energy, who has published over 200 scientific papers, and is a fellow of the American Physical Society, The American Association for the Advancement of Science, and the National Academy of Sciences.



“Nature's regulatory instrument is water vapor: more carbon dioxide leads to less moisture in the air, keeping the overall GHG content in accord with the necessary balance conditions.” – Prominent Hungarian Physicist and environmental researcher Dr. Miklós Zágoni reversed his view of man-made warming and is now a skeptic. Zágoni was once Hungary’s most outspoken supporter of the Kyoto Protocol.


“For how many years must the planet cool before we begin to understand that the planet is not warming? For how many years must cooling go on?" - Geologist Dr. David Gee the chairman of the science committee of the 2008 International Geological Congress who has authored 130 plus peer reviewed papers, and is currently at Uppsala University in Sweden.


“Gore prompted me to start delving into the science again and I quickly found myself solidly in the skeptic camp…Climate models can at best be useful for explaining climate changes after the fact.” - Meteorologist Hajo Smit of Holland, who reversed his belief in man-made warming to become a skeptic, is a former member of the Dutch UN IPCC committee.


“The quantity of CO2 we produce is insignificant in terms of the natural circulation between air, water and soil... I am doing a detailed assessment of the UN IPCC reports and the Summaries for Policy Makers, identifying the way in which the Summaries have distorted the science.” - South Afican Nuclear Physicist and Chemical Engineer Dr. Philip Lloyd, a UN IPCC co-coordinating lead author who has authored over 150 refereed publications.


“Many [scientists] are now searching for a way to back out quietly (from promoting warming fears), without having their professional careers ruined.” - Atmospheric physicist James A. Peden, formerly of the Space Research and Coordination Center in Pittsburgh.


“All those urging action to curb global warming need to take off the blinkers and give some thought to what we should do if we are facing global cooling instead.” - Geophysicist Dr. Phil Chapman, an astronautical engineer and former NASA astronaut, served as staff physicist at MIT (Massachusetts Institute of Technology)


“Creating an ideology pegged to carbon dioxide is a dangerous nonsense…The present alarm on climate change is an instrument of social control, a pretext for major businesses and political battle. It became an ideology, which is concerning.” - Environmental Scientist Professor Delgado Domingos of Portugal, the founder of the Numerical Weather Forecast group, has more than 150 published articles.


“CO2 emissions make absolutely no difference one way or another….Every scientist knows this, but it doesn’t pay to say so…Global warming, as a political vehicle, keeps Europeans in the driver’s seat and developing nations walking barefoot.” - Dr. Takeda Kunihiko, vice-chancellor of the Institute of Science and Technology Research at Chubu University in Japan.


“The [global warming] scaremongering has its justification in the fact that it is something that generates funds.” - Award-winning Paleontologist Dr. Eduardo Tonni, of the Committee for Scientific Research in Buenos Aires and head of the Paleontology Department at the University of La Plata.



“Whatever the weather, it's not being caused by global warming. If anything, the climate may be starting into a cooling period.” Atmospheric scientist Dr. Art V. Douglas, former Chair of the Atmospheric Sciences Department at Creighton University in Omaha, Nebraska, and is the author of numerous papers for peer-reviewed publications.



“But there is no falsifiable scientific basis whatever to assert this warming is caused by human-produced greenhouse gasses because current physical theory is too grossly inadequate to establish any cause at all.” - Chemist Dr. Patrick Frank, who has authored more than 50 peer-reviewed articles.

“The ‘global warming scare’ is being used as a political tool to increase government control over American lives, incomes and decision making. It has no place in the Society's activities.” - Award-Winning NASA Astronaut/Geologist and Moonwalker Jack Schmitt who flew on the Apollo 17 mission and formerly of the Norwegian Geological Survey and for the U.S. Geological Survey.

“Earth has cooled since 1998 in defiance of the predictions by the UN-IPCC….The global temperature for 2007 was the coldest in a decade and the coldest of the millennium…which is why ‘global warming’ is now called ‘climate change.’” - Climatologist Dr. Richard Keen of the Department of Atmospheric and Oceanic Sciences at the University of Colorado.
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jayboat said:
Yeah, ok... if you say so.

Ya know... what I find consistent with all climate change deniers is that, for them, it is not about the science, it's about being right. :ack2:
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If the dinosaurs were killed by the Ice age, how did the earth warm up without man?:biggrinjester: Maybe the earth warms and cools by it self?
 
Nick, how dare you use facts and scientist's statements to deny these guys their religion, shame, shame.
 
I'll not get into the argument, but sit in your garage with the car on, what happens...

There's a lot of science involved, but how can we put millions of tons of pollution into the air everyday and not have an effect.

Owning a boat, 5 vehicles, 3 snowmobiles and one that likes to burn gas, I'm not pointing fingers... But something has got to give at some point..
 
Duke69 said:
I'll not get into the argument, but sit in your garage with the car on, what happens...

There's a lot of science involved, but how can we put millions of tons of pollution into the air everyday and not have an effect.

Owning a boat, 5 vehicles, 3 snowmobiles and one that likes to burn gas, I'm not pointing fingers... But something has got to give at some point..
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I'm not wanting to start an argument, but that's a horrible comparison. :(
 
The secret to pollution is dilution. Run a .00000000001 cc engine in your garage and see if it makes a difference in your experiment.
 
Ted said:
The secret to pollution is dilution. Run a .00000000001 cc engine in your garage and see if it makes a difference in your experiment.
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Good stuff. ;)

The total "weight" of the earth's atmosphere is 5148.0 teratons.
That's 5148 X 10^12 tons.
=5148000000000000 tons

The world produced 27245758000 tons of industrial "greenhouse" (cute catchphrase for water vapor, carbon dioxide, methane, and ozone - but they really only mean Carbon dioxide [goes along with carbon credit]) gases in 2007.

This amounts to a whopping 0.000529% of the atmosphere.

Now, the historic average (over the eons) of CO2 in the atmosphere is 0.0396% (Today it’s 0.0384%, but nevermind that – Gore doesn’t want you to know that). The startling thing about this is that it's higher than the present CO2 concentration - It's lower today than the historic average!!! Wow...who'd have thought?

We're supposedly adding to the existing CO2 concentration at a rate of 0.00143%. (that’s a ratio of one-thousandth per year). That can’t be good, right?. Why? Well, damn it, it just doesn’t seem or feel like it could be good – well, golly it CAN’T be good. So it must be bad!

Funny, thing is that we absolutely need some of those “greenhouse” gases. These gases in the atmosphere both absorb and emit radiation within the thermal infrared range. Greenhouse gases are essential to maintaining the current temperature of the Earth; without them this planet would be so cold as to be uninhabitable.

Hmmm...which brings us to a good point. We've supposed to have created these greenhouse gases, right?...so?...we're making more atmosphere? There’s more of it, so it's getting heavier right? Is barometric pressure continuing to rise due to this?.....not really. The chemical makeup of the planet is essentially self-balancing (so are those of the other planets of the solar system, but let's ignore that, too), and will precipitate the imbalances. The vast seas of plankton and our forests help to eliminate the rest by way of photosynthesis. This process has occurred and recurred thousandths of times over eons.

There's also this pesky little thing called conservation of mass and energy; it essentially states that matter and energy cannot be created, nor destroyed, only transferred and transformed. We don't create any of these things, only change them (and then they change back). This carbon has always been here, and always will. It moves and transforms, and the amount that we change it is completely insignificant with regards to this essentially pseudo isotropic system as a whole.

The biggest shocker of all, is that 6 billion humans, and nearly ¼ of that number of livestock on this planet creates more “greenhouse” gas than the burning of fossil fuel.

Beware the scaremongers and idiots telling you otherwise. Better yet, look who's getting rich of the illegitimate premise of global warming, and you'll quickly find your fraud.
 
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I did my part yesterday for global warming.

Check this out:
I went out to my shed and needed to move my Gator so I could put a bunch of "boat stuff" away for the winter. Of course, it hadn't been started for a few months, so the battery was too low to start it. I plug in the battery charger and 45 minutes later it starts right up. I figured that I would let it run for a while. Now, I was replacing some light bulbs in my garage with brighter ones and also cooking dinner at the same time and loading some other boat stuff in the garage....you get the point. My wife gets home, we eat, clean up and start watching TV......










.....forward to this morning. I go into the garage to start my truck and notice that the back door of my garage is open and it hits me. THE GATOR IS STILL RUNNING OUT BACK INSIDE OF THE SHED!!!!!!!!!!!!

ps- The look that I got from her was priceless.:rolleyes::smash: ....but the battery should be fully charged!
 

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Careful, Al Gore will be down sampling the shed and takng temp readings.....Nothing runs like a Deere :D
 
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