F1 engine technology

[boostbros]

Ok to keep the brain cells from freezing up here in the great white north lets have some fun... someone should build a light mystic with 4 of these hooked to about a 10 speed tranny can you hear that coming into key west harbor? look out over hyped blow tourch class.... http://mfmglabs.com/F1 article.htm

 

[Seafordguy]

The technology in F1 is amazing. That article is even a little conservative. in 2007 the top teams, though kept highly secret, were in the 900 HP range and spinning close to 19,000 rpms. In 2008 they reduced the engines from 3.0 liter V-10's to 2.7 liter V-8's.

F1 is truley the most over the top circus of a sport in the world. To have the top teams (and in some cases the mid pack teams) spending $5-600 Million a year for 17 or 18 races is just absurd. It is a shame that America as a whole couldn't care less about F1 - admittedly it takes some time to get into it enough to know the people and rules, strategies, etc.... but it makes for a grandiose sport!!

 

[Seafordguy]

jmo/I like VG30ETT 800+ (+power/-weight) May only need 2.

Wasn't the VG30DETT the 3.0 liter DOHC V-6's that were in the 1990-1996 Nissan Z's???

 

[glh]

Try those apples...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbCcGQXuqXw&feature=channel_page

 

[MOBILEMERCMAN]

They are cool trick motors. I;m skeptical about how well the would work in a boat. a boat needs real torque not I narrow high strung power band. It would need a 10 speed trannie to come close to working. Still I would take some Sterlings over those any day.

 

[Pete B]

TV doesnt do it justice, I went last year to the GP in Bahrain, it was over the top.

 

[ILMORdude]

ILMOR has been quite successful in F1 in years past. The engines we have on display in our lobby are spectacular pieces.

 

[boostbros]

ilmordude whip some vids of those bad boys on us

 

[Seafordguy]

TV doesnt do it justice, I went last year to the GP in Bahrain, it was over the top.

The only one I have ever been to was the Indianapolis race in 2006 where all the Michelin clad cars protested and pulled into the pits at the end of the parade lap, leaving only 6 cars to run - HAHA. Wish I had that money back.

The sound of those things running is amazing but watching them slow down is UNREAL.

They would make a horrible boat application for any practical purpose. If they sit for more than about 20 seconds they often times end up disintegrating within a few minutes. They don't handle not being able to dissapate heat, that's why the radiators ducts are packed with dry ice, and fans are run over them if they have to sit for ANY length of time anywhere.

 

[Chris]

The F1 stuff is some incredible technology and watching them run on a tight course is absolutely amazing. But my all-time favorites were the Can Am cars of the 70's. Wretched excess- nothing more. I still remember Mark Donohue running the Porsche 917-30 at 256MPH down the straight at Talladega. His lap times were 220+. This was in '75!

 

[Brownie]

Mark Donahue was hanging around Thunderboat Row back in those days. He was telling us about setting the all-time closed course speed record of 245 mph. At the end of the straightaway, the number blew off of the hood. What is surprising about that? It was PAINTED on.!

 

[Chris]

Donohue actually had a Cig 35 Awesome. It was painted Sunoco colors, like his Porsche- blue with yellow accents. Has #3's on it and Gale Banks turbo 468's in it. I owned the boat briefly in the late 80's.

That 917-30 was an umbelievable car. It weighed 1800 and change. The engine set to endurance-racing boost was 1200 hp. He could dial up the wastegate from the cockpit and get 1500+ out of it. Which he did if he had trouble getting past someone. He won every race in '73. Since canAm was set up basically to be a no-rules class, they imposed fuel consumption rules in '74 so that everyone else wouldn't give up and go home.

 

[Brownie]

Chris, that boat ended up in Fort Lauderdale with a tuna tower on it.............

 

[C_Spray]

ilmordude whip some vids of those bad boys on us

Indy 1994 - A one-off program to stick their rules up.....never mind.

209 cubic inches, 55 inches of boost (about 12 psi), 9,800 rpm = 1,012 hp. This was 200 hp more than everybody else. We raced it once, won the race, retired the engine. Silly rules were changed - Mission accomplished.

By the way - this is a two-valve rocker-arm engine.... :drool5:

 

[C_Spray]

...That 917-30 was an umbelievable car. It weighed 1800 and change. The engine set to endurance-racing boost was 1200 hp. He could dial up the wastegate from the cockpit and get 1500+ out of it. Which he did if he had trouble getting past someone. He won every race in '73. Since canAm was set up basically to be a no-rules class, they imposed fuel consumption rules in '74 so that everyone else wouldn't give up and go home.

Actually, he didn't win the first two - a collision in the first and a fuel leak in the second. After that, it was all over. Brian Redman drove the car in a one-off appearance in 1974 at Mid-Ohio and Roger Penske himself drove it at a Porsche reunion at Lime Rock in 2001. I was fortunate enough to be there at all 3 events!

Amazing is right - 21" wide rear tires. And you can spin them at will. Any gear if "the knob" is turned up. Again - :drool5:

 

[Lee]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_QyUD6V5_I :drool5:

 

[Chris]

Chris, that boat ended up in Fort Lauderdale with a tuna tower on it.............

It was a mess when I took it on a trade. It had been on the bottom- maybe more than once.

Actually, he didn't win the first two - a collision in the first and a fuel leak in the second.

Meant "they", wrote "he". The cars were undefeated. Unreal automobiles- they were monsters. The other cars were no slouches. A local guy here worked for Chevrolet at the time and was assigned to their Can Am effort. He still has one of the Reynolds 390 blocks with the silicon/aluminum bores.

Hopefully Bob Madara will chime in- he's got some history with the series himself.

 

[BradH]

Twins in a 32 Doug Wright, crash box, Arnesons...could be a sweet combo.

How low are the torque numbers for engines like these?

 

[Brownie]

When I worked for Holman Moody in 1971,2,3, we had the 'Holman Moody Honker' Can-Am in the hangar with the original 496 SOHC all ally monster engine. It was driven by Mario Andretti, and would break the tires loose (and the half-shafts) at the far end of the long straight in Laguna Seca. We also had the Ford 40's from Daytona and Le Mans. Sold them for peanuts.

 

[Rik]

The F1 stuff is some incredible technology and watching them run on a tight course is absolutely amazing. But my all-time favorites were the Can Am cars of the 70's. Wretched excess- nothing more. I still remember Mark Donohue running the Porsche 917-30 at 256MPH down the straight at Talladega. His lap times were 220+. This was in '75!

You actually saw one of these run.. Lucky F'r.

I was at Laguna Seca and it was "Porsche" year at the historics. Mark Donahue ran the car and it was just a swoosh as it went by.

Extremely fast, it was leaving the period F1 cars way behind as well as everything else.