Does anyone know about debt inheritance?

Sydwayz

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I've got an aunt who has somewhere between $5-10K in credit card debt. The family has been warning her about her spending, etc. etc. She is getting up there in age, and she has medical issues as well.

Bottom line... what happens to her debt(s) when she passes assuming there is still debt after life insurance and all estate settlement? She is currently married, but what happens if she is divorced or a widow when she passes?

Does/can the debt transfer to her child(ren)? Her daughter is already a widow and is in no position to assume this debt, which is what we are most worried about.

Thanks in advance.
 
Well, assuming no one cosigned any of her credit cards the debt can not be passed to anyone else. Upon her death if her estate can not pay off the balance then the bank will have to write it off as bad debt.
 
Well, assuming no one cosigned any of her credit cards the debt can not be passed to anyone else. Upon her death if her estate can not pay off the balance then the bank will have to write it off as bad debt.

Eggzachary what Andrew says. It will ding the estate. In some cases, this is like the heir paying it. But estate tax is steep. (Although, not as much next year... for some reason.)

If her cash-type assets plus insurance benefit exceeds the credit card debt and final expenses the kids are golden. Usually, other debts like mortgages have death payoff built in.

As always, consult your attorney and tax advisor, as individual circumstances may vary greatly. ;)
 
However if the life insurance has someone else as the beneficiary it is not part of the estate. House can be excluded also if the house is jointly owned.
If Bob dies and leaves his life insurance to his estate (stupid) then the estate has to pay any outstanding debts. If his kids are the beneficiaries then they get the money tax free and is not part of Bob's estate.

If a house is jointly owned (husband/wife) and Bob dies then the house is not part of his estate since at that point it becomes the wife's house in entirety and his name just drops off the title.

However if his will states otherwise on the house (like give my share to my kids from another marriage then all bets are off)....
 
However if the life insurance has someone else as the beneficiary it is not part of the estate. House can be excluded also if the house is jointly owned.
If Bob dies and leaves his life insurance to his estate (stupid) then the estate has to pay any outstanding debts. If his kids are the beneficiaries then they get the money tax free and is not part of Bob's estate.
If a house is jointly owned (husband/wife) and Bob dies then the house is not part of his estate since at that point it becomes the wife's house in entirety and his name just drops off the title.

However if his will states otherwise on the house (like give my share to my kids from another marriage then all bets are off)....
I don't think this is accurate. The kids pay inheritance tax.
 
I don't think this is accurate. The kids pay inheritance tax.

Negative Ghostrider........Life Insurance is ALWAYS tax free to the beneficiary....... The only time it could be taxable is when the person leaves his/her estate the beneficiary (if estate is over 600K, or whatever the max is now, then it would be taxable).
 
Shifting Life Insurance Ownership
by Steven Merkel,CFP®, ChFC (Contact Author | Biography)


Wouldn't it be nice if you could pass on your entire estate free of taxation? While this scenario is highly unlikely, there are some smart decisions that you can make to avoid future tax consequences. One poor decision that investors seem to make frequently is the naming of "payable to my estate" as the beneficiary of a contractual agreement such as an IRA account, an annuity or a life insurance policy. However, when you name the estate as your beneficiary, you take away the contractual advantage of naming a real person and subject the financial product to the probate process. Leaving items to your estate increases the estate's value, and it could subject your heirs to exceptionally high estate taxes. Here we show you some of the ways that you can reduce the taxes on your estate and ensure that your heirs will benefit from it as much as possible.

Taxation of Life Insurance Death Benefits
One of the benefits of owning life insurance is the ability to generate a large sum of money payable to your heirs in the event of your death. An even greater advantage is the federal income tax-free benefit that life insurance proceeds receive when they are paid to your beneficiary. However, although the proceeds are income tax free, they may still be included as part of your taxable estate for estate tax purposes. (For further reading, see Buying Life Insurance: Term Versus Permanent and A Look At Single-Premium Life Insurance.)

Section 2042 of the Internal Revenue Code states that the value of life insurance proceeds insuring your life are included in your gross estate if the proceeds are payable: (1) to your estate, either directly or indirectly; or (2) to named beneficiaries, if you possessed any incidents of ownership (we'll discuss this more below) in the policy at the time of your death.

In 2006, the federal estate tax exclusion amount increased to $2 million per person. This will be in effect until 2009, when the amount will increase again - to $3.5 million. In 2010, there will be no federal estate tax, but for all years after that, the exclusion amount will be reset to $1 million per person. This means that if your taxable estate exceeds $2 million, you will most likely be subject to estate taxes; these taxes can be as high as 46%, but this rate will fall to 45% in 2007, where it will remain until 2009. These changes in federal estate tax come from the Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001 (EGTRRA), which expires at the end of 2010. After its expiration, the exclusion amount will be $1 million (as mentioned above) and the highest rate will be 55%, assuming no further changes are made. (To learn more, check out Get Ready For The Estate Tax Phase Out and Getting Started On Your Estate Plan.)

Ownership Transfer
For those estates that will owe taxes, whether or not life insurance proceeds are included as part of the taxable estate depends on the ownership of the policy at the time of the insured's death. If you want your life insurance proceeds to avoid federal taxation, you'll need to transfer ownership of your policy to another person or entity. Here are a few guidelines to remember when considering an ownership transfer:


Choose a competent adult/entity to be the new owner (it may be the policy beneficiary), then call your insurance company for the proper assignment, or transfer of ownership, forms.
New owners must pay the premiums on the policy. However, you can gift up to $12,000 per person in 2006, so the recipient could use some of this gift to pay premiums.
You will give up all rights to make changes to this policy in the future. However, if a child, family member or friend is named the new owner, changes can be made by the new owner at your request.
Because ownership transfer is an irrevocable event, beware of divorce situations when planning to name the new owner.
Obtain a written confirmation from your insurance company as proof of the ownership change.


Life Insurance Trusts
A second way to remove life insurance proceeds from your taxable estate is to create an irrevocable life insurance trust (ILIT). In order to complete an ownership transfer, you cannot be the trustee of the trust and you may not retain any rights to revoke the trust. In this case, the policy is held in trust and you will no longer be considered the owner. Therefore, the proceeds are not included as part of your estate.

Why choose trust ownership rather than transferring ownership to another person? One reason might be that you still wish to maintain some legal control over the policy. Or perhaps you are afraid that an individual owner may fail to pay premiums, whereas in the trust you can ensure that all premiums are paid in a timely manner. If the beneficiaries of the proceeds are minor children from a previous marriage, an ILIT will allow you to name a trusted family member as trustee to handle the money for the children under the terms of the trust document. (To read more, see Skipping-Out On Probate Costs.)



IRS Regulations
The IRS has developed rules that help to determine who owns a life insurance policy when an insured person dies. The primary regulation overseeing proper ownership is known in the financial world as the three-year rule, which states that any gifts of life insurance policies made within three years of death are still subject to federal estate tax. This applies to both a transfer of ownership to another individual and the establishment of an ILIT. So, if you die within three years of the transfer occurring, the full amount of the proceeds are included in your estate as though you still owned the policy.

Another IRS regulation will look for any incidents of ownership by the person who transfers the policy. In transferring the policy, the original owner must forfeit any legal rights to change beneficiaries, borrow against the policy, surrender or cancel the policy or select beneficiary payment options. Furthermore, he or she must not pay the premiums to keep the policy in force. These actions are considered to be a part of ownership of the assets and if any of them are carried out, they can negate the tax advantage of transferring them. However, even if a policy transfer meets all of the requirements, some of the transferred assets may still be subject to taxation. If the current cash value of the policy exceeds the $12,000 gift tax exclusion (limit per person is $12,000 in 2006), gift taxes will be assessed and will be due at the time of the original policyholder's death. (To learn more, read Problematic Beneficiary Designations - Part 1 and Part 2.)

Conclusion
Today, it's not uncommon for individuals to be insured under a life insurance policy for $500,000 to $1 million in death benefits. Once you add in the value of your home, your retirement accounts, savings and other belongings, you may be surprised by the size of your estate. If you factor in several more years of growth and the fact that the estate tax exclusion will drop to $1 million in 2011, it is clear that many of us are facing an estate tax issue. A viable solution to this is to maximize your gifting potential and to transfer policy ownership whenever possible at little or no gift-tax cost. As long as you live another three years after the transfer, your estate could save a significant amount of tax.





by Steven Merkel (Contact Author | Biography)

Steven T. Merkel, CFP®:, ChFC, is the vice president of portfolio management for Financial Advisory Consultants LLC in Naples, Fla. Steve is a former U.S. Army air defense artillery officer and has been giving financial advice for more than 12 years. He is a Certified Financial Planner® practitioner and a Chartered Financial Consultant. Merkel has been featured and widely quoted in numerous publications including The New York Times, BusinessWeek, Entrepreneur, Consumer Reports, Investment News, Financial Planning Magazine and Fidelity's Stages Quarterly. He enjoys fishing, golf, military history, Miami Hurricane football and relaxing on the beaches of South Florida.
 
Huh. That read like the kids have to be named as owners of the policy, not just beneficiaries. "A viable solution to this is to maximize your gifting potential and to transfer policy ownership whenever possible at little or no gift-tax cost. As long as you live another three years after the transfer, your estate could save a significant amount of tax" But re-reading it made my head hurt, so I am gonna say "Oh, yes... I see."
 
Huh. That read like the kids have to be named as owners of the policy, not just beneficiaries. "A viable solution to this is to maximize your gifting potential and to transfer policy ownership whenever possible at little or no gift-tax cost. As long as you live another three years after the transfer, your estate could save a significant amount of tax" But re-reading it made my head hurt, so I am gonna say "Oh, yes... I see."


For the next couple of years the estate tax will be a moot point for most since the limits are rising faster than assets. So if someone inherits 100-250-500K their will be no tax due if they die in the next couple years.

Now if your Uncle Wayne (Huizenga) dies and leaves you his fortune and his insurance policies you may owe a couple bucks considering he just sold the Dolphins for like a billion dollars................
 
I knew about the 2010 thing.... but maybe there is a difference between estate tax and inheritance tax? Not a big deal really. I didn't mean to hijack.
 
Senator seeks probe of posthumous debt collection
WASHINGTON — A senior senator is asking the Federal Trade Commission to investigate reported instances of debt collection firms asking people to pay their dead relatives' credit card bills or other debts.

Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., a member of the Senate Banking Committee, met Tuesday with the new chairman of the FTC, Jon Leibowitz, and requested that the agency look into a practice he said appears to violate the law.

"These companies call surviving relatives, often shortly after the death of a loved one, to coax or cajole them into making payments on the deceased relative's credit card," Schumer said in a letter sent to Leibowitz on Wednesday. "To say the least, this practice is distasteful and unethical. Moreover, this practice may very well violate the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act."

Schumer asked for an accounting of how many debt collection firms engage in the practice and which companies that issue credit cards retain debt collectors for that purpose. If the practice isn't declared illegal, the FTC could at least require debt collection firms to notify the relatives they contact that they have no legal obligation to pay the debts, Schumer suggested.

Debt collection firms "conveniently omit" telling relatives of deceased debtors that they aren't legally obligated to pay, Schumer said.

Amid tough economic times, his office has received complaints from New York state residents about the practice. A recent article in The New York Times said the business of collecting dead people's debts is expanding, helped by improvements in database technology that provide easy access to probate court records.


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March 10, 2009 - 11:04 p.m. EST
 
When my parents passed, the credit card debt was written off by the companies. Insurance for beneficiaries is tax free. if a house or estate is sold, the estate is responsible for handling taxes before it is closed. any attorney that is handling an estate/will knows this and if they don't pay any outstanding taxes they are liable as the estate money is in escrow. I personally don't care if dead people have bad credit.
 
If a house is jointly owned (husband/wife) and Bob dies then the house is not part of his estate since at that point it becomes the wife's house in entirety and his name just drops off the title.



Not true. At least not in Ohio. The only way it "automatically" transfers to someone else is if you have a survivorship deed or a transfer on death dead. Most older people, unless they bought in recent years, do not have this type of deed as it was not common practice for attorneys in previous years. Automatically still means you have to file an affidavit with a copy of the death certificate. If the person dies and has neither of those types of deads then the property has to go through probate regardless of whether they have a will or not. The wife may get the property but never does a name "just drop off of the title".
 
Not true. At least not in Ohio. The only way it "automatically" transfers to someone else is if you have a survivorship deed or a transfer on death dead. Most older people, unless they bought in recent years, do not have this type of deed as it was not common practice for attorneys in previous years. Automatically still means you have to file an affidavit with a copy of the death certificate. If the person dies and has neither of those types of deads then the property has to go through probate regardless of whether they have a will or not. The wife may get the property but never does a name "just drop off of the title".

Another question then, can the wife will her half of the house to a child or does the husband usually get both halves when she dies? When wouldnt he get clear ownership of the house?
 
Another question then, can the wife will her half of the house to a child or does the husband usually get both halves when she dies? When wouldnt he get clear ownership of the house?


You can will it to whomever you want. If there is no will then the laws regarding division of property apply. Normally it is to the surviving spouse first, then children (evenly), and if the children are gone then to the grandchildren.

So if a guy dies and is married, his wife gets it first. If shes dead too then it goes to the kids. If one of the kids is also dead, then it would be split between the kid thats alive and the kid that is deads kids. Its ORC Section 2105.06 if you want to check it out

http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/2105.06

Also, regarding estate proceeds, there is an order of how stuff gets paid. Funeral expenses trump everything else... Credit card companies and such can make a claim on the estate but they have to do so within one year of the person dying. Most dont bother ... we see it every once in a while but its rare.
 
Negative Ghostrider........Life Insurance is ALWAYS tax free to the beneficiary....... The only time it could be taxable is when the person leaves his/her estate the beneficiary (if estate is over 600K, or whatever the max is now, then it would be taxable).

Depends on who owns the policy and how much is in the estate
 
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