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Ratickle
Founding Member / Super Moderator
This one I know has to be figured out, or some type of telemetry has to be utilized.
Hulls, I think the suggestions are close.
What else?
And, would the telemetry requirement make it acceptable to add other engines besides the Vortec and the 525?
shifter
Charter Member
Dan Don't let the flatlanders get you down. I enjoyed the races my boats competed against yours in this year.
There is a place for old boats that are no longer competative or new ones with people that have common goals "P" class. That should be the only class. It is a class that allows people to race without headache without complaining that the other guy is not legal bla bla bla....
Ask Smitty. He is doing well and so is JC.
P class has always driven racing up, club mentality has driven it into the ground.
End of story, no dividing and handing out more trophys adding more arbitration and time waisting inspecting to see if everyone is on the up and up, just evolve and get on with it and go racing.
pat W
There is a place for old boats that are no longer competative or new ones with people that have common goals "P" class. That should be the only class. It is a class that allows people to race without headache without complaining that the other guy is not legal bla bla bla....
Ask Smitty. He is doing well and so is JC.
P class has always driven racing up, club mentality has driven it into the ground.
End of story, no dividing and handing out more trophys adding more arbitration and time waisting inspecting to see if everyone is on the up and up, just evolve and get on with it and go racing.
pat W
Steve Miklos
Charter Member / Competitor
Data acquisition (the ability to record data) or telemetry( real time streaming data) will only be good for monitoring Speed, RPM and torque if strain gages were added. Comprehensive and invasive hull inspections will also be need if weight rules are in place.
Steve
Two simple reasons:
Hull was not homologated before competition and did not come from a dedicated mold.
Yeah Pat, you have really contributed to the growth of offshore powerboat racing with your brilliant ideas over the years. Please, share with us which of those ideas were actually implemented and produced class growth.
Oh, and it really is genuis to tell the existing boats to go race P class so one boat can run around by itself as a SVL.
arty:Tyler Crockett
SO Tech Expert/Competitor/Charter Member
What happened everybodys computer break ???
imco offshore
Competitor / Charter Member
LIFE IS GOOD ....arty:
HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND TO ALL ,,BE CAREFULL..arty:
arty:HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND TO ALL ,,BE CAREFULL..
arty:
shifter
Charter Member
Everything seems to have a Garmin or Trimble in the boat for nav so you already have a back up sysyem. If that is not working it would be kind of fishy.
I have been running the Racepak for years in all kinds of motorsports and they have proven to be very reliable.
"Oh, and it really is genuis to tell the existing boats to go race P class so one boat can run around by itself as a SVL."
Mike, Let me spell it out for you one more time. Get rid of SVL, SV, SC. It is a failed idea. No way to even out the boats, engines, or props.
"Yeah Pat, you have really contributed to the growth of offshore powerboat racing with your brilliant ideas over the years. Please, share with us which of those ideas were actually implemented and produced class growth."
I support all the teams that I work with. I support them with advice, ideas, designing, machining, electronics, data analisis, set up info, props, boat washing, cooking,testing, wrenching, whatever it takes to get them to a race. I am volunteering my time as an official to Popra this year to help build the sport back up on the west coast.
WTF do you do for the sport?
pat W
Ratickle
Founding Member / Super Moderator
Hey, we're busy thinking up new craziness.......
Ratickle
Founding Member / Super Moderator
Failing the homologation rules I understand.
But why would it fail the dedicated mold clause? With it coming from the 33 mold, and the only differences being the deck cut down for sit-down visibility from the canopy, and the swim platform being blocked off. Wouldn't that have met the intention of the dedicated mold rule?
Racerguymiami
New member
Homologation is a technical term, derived from the Greek homologeo (ὁμολογέω) for "to agree", which is generally used in English to signify the granting of approval by an official authority. This may be a court of law, a government department, or an academic or professional body, any of which would normally work from a set of strict rules or standards to determine whether such approval should be given. The word may be considered very roughly synonymous with accreditation, and in fact in French may be used with regard to academic degrees (see apostille). Certified is another possible synonym, while to homologate is the infinitive verb form.
The boat is not illegal. It was up to the sanctioning body, not Doc & not Reggie to determine whether or not the boat was legal to race. It was allowed to enter a race to compete with other SVL's so it was determined legal. All the b1thching and protesting should have been done before the boat hit the water. I'm pretty sure when the boat showed up the SVL guys were eager to see it run and thought they would give it a whooping. That backfired. We'll whoop his ass in the rough at SIB. That backfired.
Mike A. Exactly what steps were left out in the homologation process for you to deem this boat illigal?
Are you privy to the details of the homologation of this particular boat?
If this boat was allowed through due to personal/business relationships what recourse was available to other concerned racers and what steps did they take?
What is the highest freeboard dimension on the 33 Executioner and what is that same dimension on the SVL? How far down are the sides cut? 1 inch? 2 inches?
I assume you would have knowledge to all of the above since you are calling foul. I've heard you state several times that this boat is illegal. Please enlighten us on the details.
The boat is not illegal. It was up to the sanctioning body, not Doc & not Reggie to determine whether or not the boat was legal to race. It was allowed to enter a race to compete with other SVL's so it was determined legal. All the b1thching and protesting should have been done before the boat hit the water. I'm pretty sure when the boat showed up the SVL guys were eager to see it run and thought they would give it a whooping. That backfired. We'll whoop his ass in the rough at SIB. That backfired.
Mike A. Exactly what steps were left out in the homologation process for you to deem this boat illigal?
Are you privy to the details of the homologation of this particular boat?
If this boat was allowed through due to personal/business relationships what recourse was available to other concerned racers and what steps did they take?
What is the highest freeboard dimension on the 33 Executioner and what is that same dimension on the SVL? How far down are the sides cut? 1 inch? 2 inches?
I assume you would have knowledge to all of the above since you are calling foul. I've heard you state several times that this boat is illegal. Please enlighten us on the details.
Ratickle
Founding Member / Super Moderator
All Boats, engines, and drives must be submitted for approval 30 days prior to competition for Homologation.
1.6.5.1.
Changes to Molds, Hulls, or Decks - Hulls and decks homologated must be identical to the mold. The only exception is that the deck may be modified in the immediate cockpit and engine hatch area for the installation of safety canopies and air scoops. Homologated boats produced from the dedicated mold may not be made wider or narrower, longer or shorter, higher or lower, or changed in any way from the original mold configuration as homologated, unless otherwise approved in writing by SBIP.
The 30 prior submition for sure wasn't done. Otherwise ?????
Ratickle
Founding Member / Super Moderator
Unknown if they were at all. By rule they can't be cut at all except in the immediate vicinity of the canopy.
Are you thinking of getting into an SVL Chris?
Steve Miklos
Charter Member / Competitor
I think it would be easier and simpler to ask what rules were followed concerning the hull and deck.
Steve
Sean Stinson
Founding Member/Contributor
How about this why dont you all get together and race under a set of rules that allows both older boats and the newer boats......This is a direct quote out of a seven yr olds mouth that has no idea that the rest of you act her age at times!!!! Cya next month!!!!! Can we try to further the discussion beyond where it is currently??? Frankly it has become quite the trivial bore!!!!!! Hope to see all of you in Key West or Orange Beach!!!!!
Ratickle
Founding Member / Super Moderator
That's what's trying to be done Sean. You gotta spend more time on.....
Still busier than crap???? And how are you feeling, ready to get back in a boat?????
XtremeRacing
Competitor
Would it help if the newer boats just had to carry more weight ? Dont make such a big fuss over hulls...The older boats stay at the weight they r at now and the newer boat add 300-400lbs. If the weight slows them down u wont have to worry about all the rest of the BS. That resolves the BIG tech problem scales dont lie pretty easy.
Ratickle
Founding Member / Super Moderator
I think everyone is getting close to figuring out possibilities. I should know more by the end of the week from Mercruiser, some boat builders, and some of the key people in other spec classes.
Super Vee, Super Cat Light, and Super Vee Light all have the same engines and engine rules, with minor tweaking. They should all be involved and have input on the engine and ECM issues.
On another note, who's gonna be in Atlantic City? I may fly out and bug you guys.....
Obviously Ron, Smitty, and Boomer will be there.
Super Vee, Super Cat Light, and Super Vee Light all have the same engines and engine rules, with minor tweaking. They should all be involved and have input on the engine and ECM issues.
On another note, who's gonna be in Atlantic City? I may fly out and bug you guys.....
Obviously Ron, Smitty, and Boomer will be there.
SVL Magnet
New member
Are there any more races left in 2010 for the SVL group?
Will will we see more than a couple at any events?
New York, Atlantic City, Moorehead City, Clearwater, Orange Beach or K West?
Will will we see more than a couple at any events?
New York, Atlantic City, Moorehead City, Clearwater, Orange Beach or K West?
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