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103 in an svl ?
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Steve Miklos
Charter Member / Competitor
The screws can be removed and the box opened with the seals on. Depending on who you speak with it appears you may not need to remove the cover to flash the ECM on the 525. The GM MEFI unit can be flashed while on the engine.
Steve
Steve Miklos
Charter Member / Competitor
Oddly this and the fear of traction control. Ron Dennis of Mclaren has been pitching Nascar on a single ECM for the last several months. Mclaren won the contract for Formula 1 several years ago.
Since Nascar is not imposing Rev limits and allow you to jet the carbs and use any ignition timing. I believe the real fear is traction control in Nascar's case.
The other issue is supply and cost to convert. About 5 years ago Nascar decided to allow roller camshaft's. Afterwards it was determined the suppliers could not meet the demand and the rule change was shelved for cup and I think allowed for the trucks.
Steve
skaterdave
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becuase you can take a carb off and easily check it with gauges. with EFI yu cant do that and you would also have all the other parameters that could be played with.
Steve Miklos
Charter Member / Competitor
Yep! That's why we went carb on the Supercat engine in 2000. The small carb was easy for the scrutinizers to tech and the Brodix spec head was cheap and pretty effective. The MSD boxes well we had some issue's there! But again data Acquisition would have solved that.
Steve
imco offshore
Competitor / Charter Member
NEWS FLASH NASCAR IS GOING TO FUEL INJECTION ,,STARTING IN SOME RACES IN 2011 SORRY GUYS PROGRESS....BUT YOU ARE STILL INSPECTED 2 OR 3 TIMES EVERY RACE ,,NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE !!
Steve Miklos
Charter Member / Competitor
Sound's like Ron D. prevailed. But again if you are not regulating rpm fuel curve or timing your main fear is traction control/engine braking in stock car racing.
Steve
imco offshore
Competitor / Charter Member
they approach it a little different,,,they govern the rearend gear at each race ,,( for us it would be prop pitch ) traction control has been around for 20 years ,,and NASCAR knows all the tricks,,,they look for any wires or switches anywhere on the breaking system...they certify and seal on the MSD boxes to each frame # ( for us it,s our ecm,s ) bottom line you can,t have a serious class without serious TECH INSPECTION,,,,,that is why NASCAR is successful,, you cant have one tech inspector who don,t like one person in the series ,,KNOW MATER WHAT THEY SAY ,,,emotions play their part,,!!while they ,,quote LOOKED AT ALL BOATS) ,,,THEY might look at ones fanbelt ,,and another goes thru an autopsy ,,,it,s a fine line,,,,the less rules ,,the less inspection needed,,build parameters ( a box ) go race ,, 30 ' CANOPY boat ,,,dyno sealed 525 / vortec,,,,bravo/imco drive ,,,, maybe a prop limit,,, A Parity formula for the new multi step ,,, ,do your homework ,
,ie,,,x diem,,,bottom,,,,prop,,,GO RACE ,,, new racers need to understand ,it,s not all about them,,,old racers need to understand ,,it,s RACING ,,get to work,,,
ok i,m done ,,,I love this class ,,and don,t wan,t to see the last 6 years of fun go down the drain...
,ie,,,x diem,,,bottom,,,,prop,,,GO RACE ,,, new racers need to understand ,it,s not all about them,,,old racers need to understand ,,it,s RACING ,,get to work,,,
ok i,m done ,,,I love this class ,,and don,t wan,t to see the last 6 years of fun go down the drain...
SVL " IS" modern day offshore racing .
This class has the oportunity to go public .
Numbers are what 18 + ? IF you choose !
Big $$$$ went into one off Cat, z !
And how,d that work out ?
They Will NOT even get along to where they show up at the same sites !
A Cut on them is NOT my intention .
Although There history seems to destroy over and over again .
Lose the big boyz . (OSS suk,s they do NOT have youre best interest's
. They will not help you .
P1 ,? ..... I hope so .
This class has the oportunity to go public .
Numbers are what 18 + ? IF you choose !
Big $$$$ went into one off Cat, z !
And how,d that work out ?
They Will NOT even get along to where they show up at the same sites !
A Cut on them is NOT my intention .
Although There history seems to destroy over and over again .
Lose the big boyz . (OSS suk,s they do NOT have youre best interest's
. They will not help you .
P1 ,? ..... I hope so .
skaterdave
New member
news flash this story was about Mcclaren pushing their product. NOT a stated fact from Nascar. please read the facts.
skaterdave
New member
what are you talking about? go public?
18 boats? where?
P1/PaidForByFountian has only one purpose push the new fountain as the next generation.
Wasn't SVL to be based from production boats with enclosed canopys? And if so where's a 30' production Fountain?
Slandrew
New member
A 33':biggrinjester:
imco offshore
Competitor / Charter Member
wrong THIS THREAD IS ABOUT AN " SVL GOING 103 ,," so whats the direction now ??:beatdeadhorse5:,
Ratickle
Founding Member / Super Moderator
The direction now is to figure out if all of them are capable of just under 103 (Dean was passing them at 103, Downriver with a tailwind of 6 and a current of 5), or thereabouts in legal trim. That's why my guess was 97 at LOTO no current, no tailwind. I believe 4 are very close and 2 others will be there this next season, or maybe by Orange Beach.
But, mostly what this thread is about, is learning. I've learned more about data acquisition and its potential, and how to tweak a sealed box, than most of us knew was out there. And, we need to know more.
Ratickle
Founding Member / Super Moderator
From a Boat test.
The boat is a hull from the 33 Lightning with the swim platform blocked off. No other changes. I'm not sure if it's been comletely checked or not, but if so it is a legal hull under everyone's rules I believe. Mike and Steve would know more about that than I would.
The Sunsation and Velocity tested at a similar time, and referenced in the article, would also be possible contenders in this class with canopy's.
The Fountain 33 Lightning. It runs 82.9 mph on a pair of 425-hp MerCruiser 496 MAG HO Bravo One X stern drives, which can be purchased with a warranty of as long as five years. The standard equipment list includes all the aforementioned goodies, plus this boat is built with the same materials and techniques that Fountain uses on its larger go-fasts and raceboats. In other words, the 33 Lightning is ready to rock your world.
With the same power, Sunsation Powerboat's 32 S runs nearly identical speeds and retails for $172,000, including K-planes, IMCO hydraulic steering, and a McLeod Design Group interior. You'll get a bit more speed with the 496 MAG HO Bravo One Xs installed in the Velocity 322, which I ran at 87.6 mph. It also comes with K-planes and hydraulic steering for a price of $204,120, but it doesn't have quite the polish or amenities that Fountain offers.
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skaterdave
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so fountains answer is that its makes a 33' production boat and it uses that mold to make "one-off" customs ?????
how is that remotely legal?
anyone with half a brain could tell fountain was constantly changing the bottom. it was different colors at the 4 races i saw it at. and they did such a crappy job that the modifications were falling off.
i was correcting your mis-stated statement. the only reference between nascar and offshore would be to say :
look nascar has 43 cars in one race with inspections.
then you have offshore
2-5 per class, 2-4 classes per races. no real inspection = no real racing.
stop kidding yourselves. run p class till there enough of you to actually have a single class with it's own heat race. aka- 10-15 boats in one race. then start trying to apply rules. you guys are putting the cart before the horse. and fountain just built a way better cart..........
Ratickle
Founding Member / Super Moderator
They are not really one-off customs if they match the mold. The question is, are bottom tweaks legal. Most believe they are. As an example, if the overall bottom width is the same, the strakes are in the same location and there are the same number and width, the steps are in the same location and are the same number and dimensions. etc. Can you sharpen the strakes, transom edges, step edges, add to or shorten the strakes, etc and still be legal. Where does tweaking the bottom stop and modifying the bottom begin?
Same with the deck. Can the deck in front of the windshield be shortened to make a standup design hull a sitdown design hull for the canopy addition and driver/throttle view?
SVL has had 7 or 8 boats in multiple races this year. There are at least four others in the wings for next year, or possibly Key West this year which is technically next year. Other than GPS classes, no one else has come close. I think their cart and horse are fine.
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