Does anybody have a dumber (or just gestapo-like) Gov than Michigan's Half-Whit-mer?

[Ratickle]

They should go into the Covid intensive care units at hospitals where they have a chance of surviving, not some nursing home with histories of less than stellar care in Michigan.

I'm sure Trump would build them a hospital if they got overcrowded and asked.

 

[fund razor]

They should go into the Covid intensive care units at hospitals where they have a chance of surviving, not some nursing home with histories of less than stellar care in Michigan.

I'm sure Trump would build them a hospital if they got overcrowded and asked.

Intensive care units are not for long term congregate living, and ICD-10 won't reimburse for nursing home use of an ICU bed. Should they displace hospice patients, too? They are in long term care, skilled nursing, and extended care facilities for reasons. And one of those reasons is called the Plan of Care. Maybe taxpayers can fund individual mobile homes with individual nursing staff, rehab, pharmacy, dietary, laundry and spiritual caregivers. Make the nursing homes better. They are a critical location of care in our health care system. I mean, unless you take a couple at your house, and Mathers takes a couple at his place, Tracy takes a few... pretty soon it will be solved.

 

[Ratickle]

Then designate one of the nursing homes in the immediate area for Covid positive patients, and place the non-positive parients in a home that has no positive patients. Or utilize the TCF center we already paid millions to convert to almost a thousand beds that's just sitting there.


Michigan has one of the highest death rates among any state, 8th per 100,000, the highest by far of any state in the upper midwest. 79% were over the age of 65, almost 40% were in nursing homes. It's because of the edicts like this one signed by idiot governors. At least those idiot governors in other states have figured it out and rescinded their same orders.

If you're over the age of 70, and you have one of the top 4 underlying conditions, the chances of you surviving if you catch Covid is minimal. Placing, or leaving, a positive patient in a nursing home is like a death sentence to many others in the home. The governors of NY, Calif, NJ, Penn, have all rescinded their orders, she hasn't. And, to prove how powerful she is, she vetos the bill to help protect those elderly patients passed by both branches of the Michigan congress??

 

[Ratickle]

Or actually utilize the Novi Suburban Collection Showplace converted at a cost of $12 million. I think they have treated 55 patients, and it's just sitting there, all ready to go.

 

[fund razor]

On ICU beds: You have 22 in your county, Paul. Following a straight line south, there are no ICU beds until you get to Indiana. The highest concentration is about 580 in Wayne. If you need an ICU bed in northern Michigan, you better be in Grand Traverse County and hope they are slow. Otherwise... you need a helo.

Supporting good practices in congregate living facilities eliminates the need to move them to hastily built mass shelters. At my work, we get patients from nursing homes all the time, and have about 200 patients in nursing homes right now, out of a 450 patient census. About 20 patients are in each inpatient unit, where we routinely transfer in COVID positive patients and have not had a single case of spread within our facilities. It's not where you do it. It's how you do it. We have cared for over 100 COVID patients. The sickest ones.
We have also kept staff healthy (Safety is something else) and our half a dozen positives were infected elsewhere and discovered in our screening and testing protocol. We are gearing up to test all staff who work in nursing homes every two weeks regularly as a condition of employment. Our state has convened a committee to develop ways to support nursing homes and my medical director is on it.

Millions and millions of Americans are in nursing homes. Nursing homes are either private for profits, or private non-profits which are regulated by conditions of participation in reimbursement. Let's say you and Terri own one. And you don't want to get "designated" but to care for your existing patients?

Besides... it's a moot point. The nursing home peak has passed. We are in community spread now.

 

[Ratickle]

But you're in Ohio, not Michigan. In Ohio you've done a much better job than Michigan. Ohio is at 31 deaths per 100,000, Michigan is at 65 per 100,000. And over 1/3 of those deaths in Michigan are in senior care facilities, which represents less than 4% of the population.

And they just opened nursing homes to visitors again in Michigan.

People don't die in the community at any greater rate than by the flu. It's the very vulnerable who die in much higher percentages. Like my Aunt in the assisted living facility.

Beds in Kent County, where we took Terri when she had all of the symptoms, are plenty I believe. (She had pneumonia, not covid).

And I think the only reson the nursing home peak has passed, is because most states are caring for those people in a much better way, and most states are not allowing positive patients to stay in the nursing homes, unless the nursing home itself has room for a good isolation wing.

 

[Ratickle]

Maybe she'll go to jail for 3rd degree murder? She actually vetoed the bill to help them get specialized care outside of the nursing homes, and not infect others in the homes.

Justice Department orders Democratic governors to hand over nursing home death data
by Cassidy Morrison, Healthcare Reporter | | August 26, 2020 03:36 PM

The Justice Department demanded that several Democrat-led states hand over data on nursing home deaths due to COVID-19 to help it decide whether to launch a large-scale investigation.

“Today the Justice Department requested COVID-19 data from the governors of states that issued orders which may have resulted in the deaths of thousands of elderly nursing home residents,” the Justice Department announced in a statement Wednesday, naming New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Michigan, four states with Democratic governors.

The Justice Department maintained that the four states allowed nursing homes to readmit residents who had tested positive for the coronavirus, leading to widespread infections and deaths in long-term care facilities.

The data will inform the decision by the Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division whether to launch an investigation under the federal Civil Rights of Institutionalized Persons Act, which protects the civil rights of people in state-run nursing homes.

Each Democrat-run state has been criticized for a high share of fatalities in nursing homes where the most vulnerable groups live. New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo has been criticized for his March 25 order mandating that long-term care facilities take residents regardless of a confirmed or suspected COVID-19 diagnosis so that hospitals would not be overwhelmed. State health department data suggests that more than 6,000 nursing home residents have died of the virus, but that count includes only those who died in the residences, not those who died in hospitals.

When the state health department released a report in July mean to squash allegations that Cuomo’s order led to thousands of unnecessary deaths, he said that he was following guidance from the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Dr. Howard Zucker, the state’s health commissioner, also said that nursing homes were not at fault.

“If you’re going to place blame, I would blame the coronavirus, Covid-19,” Zucker said last month.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...-over-nursing-home-death-data?ocid=uxbndlbing

 

[Bobcat]

Same with Cuomo.....

 

[Bobcat]

She just deployed Michigan Nat'l Guard Troops to Wisconsin????

 

[rschap1]

W T F?
She hasn't F'd her own state up enough yet?
Isn't there a Nat. Guard In Wis?

 

[fund razor]

She just deployed Michigan Nat'l Guard Troops to Wisconsin????

It takes the National Guard of many states, or one 17 year old kid with a cheap carbine to control the violent leftist mobs of pedophiles and felons in Kenosha.

 

[Ratickle]

In a letter dated Wednesday, the Justice Department outlined what it wants Whitmer to provide for publicly operated nursing homes:

The number of residents, employees, other staff, guests and visitors who contracted COVID-19, regardless of where such persons contracted COVID-19.
The number of residents, employees, other staff, guests and visitors who died of COVID-19, including those who died in a nursing home or after being transferred from a home to a different site.
All current and expired executive orders and similar guidance regarding admission of persons to nursing homes.
The number of people admitted to a nursing home from a hospital or any other facility, hospice, home care or other location after testing positive for COVID-19 while the executive orders or applicable policies were in effect.

The news release states the department is considering opening an investigation under a federal law that protects people in nursing homes, but no final decision has been made.

“Protecting the rights of some of society’s most vulnerable members, including elderly nursing home residents, is one of our country’s most important obligations,” Eric Dreiband, assistant attorney general for the Justice Department's Civil Rights Division, said in a news release.

“We must ensure they are adequately cared for with dignity and respect and not unnecessarily put at risk.”

The department wants Michigan to provide the information within 14 days.

 

[Ratickle]

God I wish somebody would give her a brain!!! Makes the Scarecrow look like a genius!!

Where the heck is the Wizard???


Gov. Gretchen Whitmer extended Michigan's state of emergency until Oct. 1 at 11:59 p.m.

 

[Ratickle]

 

[Ratickle]

 

[Ratickle]

The woman is crazy!!!!

Trump was coming to the State, so she has a big time new update conference in the morning before he gets here to tell the world how bad he is doing.

So, here is some of what she says, screen shot of one of the conference highlights.



The envy of the midwest.

Here are the latest stats at that time



Maybe one of you can point out all of those midwest states that are looking up to the incredible job she is doing? Or does she think that it's a contest to see which Governor can kill the most???

What a crazy ass whacko.....

She actually believes she is doing a good job???????

 

[Ratickle]

The day before the news conference they reported zero deaths, (which would have been for the day before that), then as soon as her conference was over, they reported 76 deaths from the previous day.

Hmmmmmmm.....

 

[rschap1]

All BS

 

[Ratickle]

All BS

I'm beginning to think she is actually nuts. She does such stupid stuff, then touts it as wonderful.

10th highest death rate, and thinks that's just wonderful and makes her the envy of the midwest?

That has to be clinically nuts. A classic narcissist.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/...e-dont-do/201511/7-things-only-narcissists-do

 

[john acosta]

women in politics . how else could it end .lol