43 Punisher....what happened?

[Ratickle]

I do like that fact that this new $500,000 stepped boat can't outrun some flat bottom old 28s.

I think you mean straight bottom, unless you've really modified your bottom! Oh, I mean your Boat's Bottom, not yours!!!!!:sifone:

 

[SVL66]

Well, probably me too, just not one of those two choices. But, compare it to prices on other, similar, new boats (like the new OL or the new Cig of similar size and power). In that group, it is very, very competitive price wise.

agreed. however, I think the checkmate will depreciate more and faster than the others. that would be my thinking if I was in the market

 

[fund razor]

I think you mean straight bottom, unless you've really modified your bottom! Oh, I mean your Boat's Bottom, not yours!!!!!:sifone:

That's right. Straight bottom.
Flat bottom would be me.

 

[torrent]

Wow! There are some critical people out there. I think you can pick apart every boat on the things you do and don't like about it. I was in the new OL at the Miami show last year my buddy loved it and I wasn't pleased with it at all. However if someone was going to build a brand new boat they would get to do it exactly the way they wanted.

 

[Ratickle]

Well, it's like chatting with Wrink on his new Nor-Tech. When they reviewed hull number 1 at the Miami show, they made all kinds of improvements to their hull number 2. No one gets everything right the first time.

One of the things on this particular boat, the hull design is Bobby's Chief hull design. The cockpit, deck, and cabin are completly redesigned so it is truly number one when it comes to that.

 

[fund razor]

I think you can pick apart every boat on the things you do and don't like about it.

Exactly. Nothing more, nothing less. I hope nobody is offended by it.

 

[Offshore Ginger]

There is a lot going on since then. The boat was shipped to a performance shop here in West Michigan, they fixed a checklist of items, worked on the props and setup. When they were done the boat had hit 92 and planned off faster and handled better. Thye felt it could possibly hit 100 if they set it up for top speed only.

First off the boat was at CK -Motorsports / Baker Eng .

 

[Offshore Ginger]

Believe it or not, that is fairly low to average on the prices of new boats in that size with that power.

But it is still a CHECKMATE , and Paul from the way i read things Check is trying to turn a Sow's Ear into a silk purse , and the fact of the matter is......................... Check in the past has always been a kinda C the USA IN a Chevrolet at K- Mart prices or the blue light special . Paul & everybody i honestly believe you would find more value in a Sabre made localy which by the way are built like a brick $hit house that most likely will have a better re-sale value and stand the test of time because i personally feel they have more to offer as far as quality goes in there build.

 

[Offshore Ginger]

The boat is for sale because it is the first of a possible 5 total that Checkmate has given the dealership owner exclusive sales rights on for their presale/payment of hull #1.

Well with that in mind due to the overall economics of the country i can almost bet everyone is just jumping on the band wagon to buy one of those slugs ........considering Pete At Skater is clearly stating that is bread & butter at this time is in smaller in-boards in the 30 to 32 foot range http://speedonthewater.com/new-boat...dels-driving-skater-catamaran-production.html

 

[Offshore Ginger]

I guess i have some catchin up to do. I'll tell you this though. If i was spending a half mill on a boat, it wouldn't be a checkmate. I'de buy a 2 or 3 year old OL or Cig

Man .................................you are so very right and not to mention that most likely you would be buying a proven hull , with a great power package / drives to boot , and a rig job that most likely is next to non that shows professionalism through out .

 

[Offshore Ginger]

agreed. however, I think the checkmate will depreciate more and faster than the others. that would be my thinking if I was in the market

:iagree:

 

[Offshore Ginger]

Over all maybe we should just re name the new Mate skipping the Check all together and calling it **** Mate...................

 

[Ratickle]

Well, the two to three year old OL, let's go with 5 year old with the same power, would still cost as much, but you would have paid close to double that at the start. So it would have depreciated as much as the Checkmate would cost new.

2007 Outerlimits 42 Legacy $475,000

This 42 Legacy is a beautiful as the day she was delivered new! Low hours on twim Mercury Racing 700/NXT packages! Large cockpit, with lots of walk around room, fully instrumented dash, comfortable seating, lots of storage space, cockpit side cabinets with zipper vinyl doors and removable carpeting. The cabin, guaranteed to impress all who step aboard, is fully carpeted and loaded with amenities such as lacquered composite counters with sink and icebox, spacious enclosed toilet, shower and sink, V-berth and U-lounge seating area. Hidden lighting, flush mount pot lights in the ceiling along with two deck hatches create an intimate mood below.

As for the 2 or three year old Cigarette? Well, exact same issue as it would have been around double that to begin with...

2009 CIGARETTE 42 X High Performance Boats in Somerdale, NJ $425,000

''Just Reduced" Better than new only 75 hours on her twin staggered 700 SCI NXT 1 Drives

This better than new Cigarette 42 X High Performance beauty is loaded with custom features, including one of a kind paint job, 5 blade Herring Prop's, Lip ship edition, cover girl cabin, Smart Craft System, Upgraded Upholstery.

This boat is meticulous in every fashion, owned and operated by a long time Cigarette owner who maintains this beauty with an open checkbook

So, to me you guys are comparing apples and oranges. Or as Artie says, Chevrolets and Mercedes. I cannot speak as to what a Sabre would cost to have built now. I do know the Sunsation 43 powered the same would be about $150,000 more. I think the only new boat in the same size and price range would be the 43 Nor-Tech. Maybe someone will know of more than that.

 

[Hellbent]

Great thread.... :lurk5:

 

[Hellbent]

I think I'd rather have this one at $170k:

Used 2004 Cigarette 42 Tiger For Sale | Somerset KY .



Now then...is that because I don't have $500k to spend....or because I just like the Cig better? Or....both?

 

[fund razor]

Of all the Apachalike boats available, I'd prefer a Sabre. I'm in it for the brick chit house.

 

[Ratickle]

I think I'd rather have this one at $170k:

Used 2004 Cigarette 42 Tiger For Sale | Somerset KY .

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Now then...is that because I don't have $500k to spend....or because I just like the Cig better? Or....both?

I'm going with both, but don't forget that boat is almost 10 years old and has depreciated over $500,000.

 

[rschap1]

Anything new outta SABER lately?

That '04 Cig looks like quite a bargain of everything mentioned here.

I think the Punisher is an impressive enough rig. Obviously a big undertaking for Checkmate and a big step, but I will admit it looks like it may have been too big of a leap, and possibly an attempt to make more $$ than they should have grabbed for. I really thought it took them longer than I would have expected for this to hit the water and still looks like a rush job now that it is there. The points made about the cabin and its design are hard to dispute. There's my latest 2 cents

 

[Ratickle]

We should rename this thread the Checkmate Punisher 2 cent thoughts thread....

 

[Ratickle]

As for personal preference, I'm totally partial to the Black Thunder's. Since the very first time I saw Blondin's in Grand Haven until today, I don't think there is a better design/build on the market period. Others would disagree, and I understand that.

As for the Punisher, the layup is better than any Apache built to date from what I know. The combination of the latest types of glass, and the "overbuild" of most of the Apache heritage boats (this one a definite yes from the guys I've chatted with who have been all through it at the factory and up here), may have made this hull the first brick chit house using only the latest types of glass and resins. As for the hull design, this is Bobby's latest, and the handling in both corners, combined with the rough water ride, made believers out of anyone who has ridden in the Saccenti Marine (Chief) hull with him (check out the thread from Michigan City a couple years ago).