DAREDEVIL
Banned
If u ment mine,,,u read it wrong as well...or i wrote it wrong !!!!!!!!! :cheers2:
I am not happy at all, all i ment to say is its not that surprising since its going on everywhere and for decates.
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Powerboat P1 World Championship is FINSHED AND CANCELLED FOR 2010 !!!!!!!!
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If u ment mine,,,u read it wrong as well...or i wrote it wrong !!!!!!!!! :cheers2:
I am not happy at all, all i ment to say is its not that surprising since its going on everywhere and for decates.
AugiePensa
The Godfather
We Ain't givin' Dave P. up !
DaveP
Charter Member
The Godfather has spoken...and NO ONE disrespects the Godfather :sifone:
Team Tsunami
New member
What a shame.
Well on a positive note. The 427 we just shipped to Belgium for Supersport will most likely go undefeated for 2010.
Same here Terry with the SV40 that we just shipped! P1 was awesome! Sad to see them out.
DaveP
Charter Member
earthwerks
New member
Dave P , I am a good friend of Martin Sanborn, who is an honest person who cares about this sport and has done a lot for this sport and for you to make that kind of comparison insults Martin and offends me. I think you are a complete idiot and part of the problem in this sport. Feel free to give me your response in person if you like I will be at most races this year. Dan Davies Global Warmer Fountain....
Thats whats gonna happen now...
DaveP
Charter Member
You obviously have ZERO sense of humor.
For those of us who have been invloved in the sport as long as I have (since 1980) I would say that I have a pretty good handle on what it takes to produce an offshore race as well as an offshore race series.
I know that Martin's intentions are genuine but there is nothing more rediculous than making the statement that he made in the effort to lessen the blow of REALITY and to possibly give racers / fans false hope.
No one would like to see offshore racing flourish more than I would. But the realities of today (already mentioned previously by Mike A. & Smitty) is that there is little money available to produce a series like P1 overseas, here in the U.S. or anywhere.
As stated by Mr. Rangoonwala:
"What is it that makes the business unsustainable? As many of you know, unlike traditional motorsport, powerboating does not enjoy any significant revenue from ticketing or television rights. Added to this is the fact that sponsorship income is very limited for what is very much a niche sport."
Again, Martin is a great guy but was also invited to NJ for the OPA Winter Dinner to disuss possibilites of P1 USA & OPA working together. What happened when he came was equivilant to inviting a friend over for dinner and then they turn around and tell you that your wife is ugly and the food sucks.
I have seen plenty of people want to come into offshore race production (from within and the outside) that have failed miserably repeating a similar diatribe that Martin posted above. Such as OPT, Us Offshore, Supercatz,
OSS, etc...
The days of large companies writing big checks without concern of R.O.I are long gone. GEICO is the only company striking those checks right now because of 2 reasons. They have a team headed by Haggin who wants to do nothing but watch his team race and win. Plus they are huge ambsadoors of good will to the racing fans and the general public. They do a first class job. Is GEICO concerned about dollar for dollar analyzing their R.O.I? No, because they consider it "branding" and the promotion of the brand.
So, sorry if I pizzed you off but that was meant in jest. I have no idea how long you have been involved in the sport but I have a similar understanding of the offshore racing circuit as Mike A., Smitty, T2x or Brownie do.
As T2x says, I'm allergic to nonses........and also b--- s--.
phragle
Charter Member
Earthwerks, If you find someones post, feel free to say you find it offensive, if you dsagree with something said, say you disagree. The first half of your reply is fine. The second half is a direct attack on someone out of malice with a confrontational challange. That is not how we do it here. Attacking members is unacceptable.
Mr. Davies,
Dave P. is like 6-7 280lbs so good luck with that in-person thing (Plus, I think he was being tongue in check funny based on his own personal experiences). Martin worked for me years ago. He is smart, a great talker, and personable. Having said that though, if anyone really believes that P1 is preparing to come to the USA with a tremendous, ready for success business plan, then yes, I too would like some of whatever that person is taking because there is NO WAY. Given the very fragile state of what is left of the sport now I would hate to see another well-intentioned person get duped into pouring tons of money down a hole; hence my offer to speak with that person first.
C_Spray
Charter Member
Smart man. Once all the current "sanctioning body" owners get out of the sport and release all rights and claims, the time will come to start anew. Until then - no way.
DaveP
Charter Member
I have to say that since "they pulled me back in" and getting a front row seat with OPA, they are very different from other racing groups that I have been exposed to.
They remind me of the NJPPC of racing. Eveyone is pretty close - like a family. Yeah there's smack talk and ball busting but they are really more about having fun than who is going to take the checkered flag on race day (to a point of course).
The Commaraderie is really strong and I think thats why they have lasted as long as they have. Have they had some speed bumps? Sure but all of us have.
It has been a real pleasure being back and working with all of the OPA guys again!
Wazzup Racing
Sponsor / Competitor
And Dave.............I'll be your wing man anytime.
All joking aside Dave and the NJPPC have been great. We dragged him back in, and we went poker running. Good times.
All joking aside Dave and the NJPPC have been great. We dragged him back in, and we went poker running. Good times.
Steve Miklos
Charter Member / Competitor
Hey guys I met Earthwerks in Clearwater. He seems like a good guy with genuine enthusiasm for the sport. I cant blame or fault him for wanting the best as we all do. With that said there are very smart well funded guys who have failed on here trying not to let history repeat itself.
Steve
:iamwithstupid::sifone:
ILMORdude
Sponsor / Charter Member
Why cant "they" team up as a one to make something successful? In no way am i being sarcastic, just want to know why there are so many different series. It seems everyone knows what went wrong...........but what is right? I'd love for everyone to combine and especially use the power to weight ratio friendly V10's!
Matt Trulio
Contributor
Gentlemen,
I have no dog in this fight, per se, other than I'd like to see this sport succeed to the levels it did—and I don't care what anyone thinks about the following statement—under APBA Offshore LLC in the first few years. What has happened since has been a steady disintegration. OPA presents a notable exception, at least at this point in time.
That said, I encourage you all to go to http://www.boats.com/boat-content/2010/04/sanborn-on-powerboat-p1-usa-“no-change-in-the-plan”/. I asked Martin Sanborn questions, which he did not have in advance, and he answered them. The interview is substantially different from a prepared statement.
How you view those answers is entirely up to you, but at least probing questions were asked. if you haven't gone to that link already, I urge you to.
I have no dog in this fight, per se, other than I'd like to see this sport succeed to the levels it did—and I don't care what anyone thinks about the following statement—under APBA Offshore LLC in the first few years. What has happened since has been a steady disintegration. OPA presents a notable exception, at least at this point in time.
That said, I encourage you all to go to http://www.boats.com/boat-content/2010/04/sanborn-on-powerboat-p1-usa-“no-change-in-the-plan”/. I asked Martin Sanborn questions, which he did not have in advance, and he answered them. The interview is substantially different from a prepared statement.
How you view those answers is entirely up to you, but at least probing questions were asked. if you haven't gone to that link already, I urge you to.
Steve Miklos
Charter Member / Competitor
I do support Martin and am racing in his series this year. What I suggest is that the racer's work with him,Smitty,JC not against him as they usually do. This year year we will race OPA SBI even a joint event with OSS. This is a bigger mountain than ever to climb. Just like in real mountain climbing we racer's are tethered together as we saw in 2003 it only takes a few bonehead climbers (racers) at the top to make us all fall.
Steve
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