Folks, I talked to bobby, I had some of my info wrong on the nickle. It was actually the $5 indian head coin that Bobby used for the Apache logo. Gail also did the lettering on the logo.
Also confirmed why Apache was the name.... My guess was correct for the most part but there's a lot more to it and it goes back to the Kilpatrick days when Bobby built the Squadron named Apache. All of this was before Kramer.