To all P-class racers in KW !!!!!!!

[DAREDEVIL]

I would like to call in a little get to gether, and talk about how we can get the P classes more fair and better for the sports.

Lets hook up in KW and talk about it.


Scott

Ps .: i contacted Rich and he will listen to our BS to make things better for 2010 !!!!!!!!!:USA:

 

[SVL66]

How can you make it more fair? You can only do so much with bracket racing, without adding a bazillion more classes.

 

[Ratickle]

How can you make it more fair? You can only do so much with bracket racing, without adding a bazillion more classes.

I will disagree some.

The 6 classes in OPA are plenty. I would argue for one less at the top, but that's just based on participation, not anything else.

However, the rules for the bottom classes, and the tech inspections required, need to be standardized for all the orgs, and all the boats in those classes. Currently, the exact same boat would/could be in different classes in all 4 orgs.

For instance, and let's keep it simple, a good performing:

SVL -
Outboard Cat -
SuperCat Light -
Super Vee -
Old F2 -
Old F1 -

would fit into what P classes in the 4 orgs?

 

[Ryan Beckley]

You tell us what class they SHOULD be in, not what class people race them in....

SVL -90mph
Outboard Cat -100mph
SuperCat Light -120mph
Super Vee -100mph
Old F2 -85mph
Old F1 -80mph

 

[MikeyFIN]

Also one thing...

That you have to finish 70% of the race to get a personal result and at least 5 boats at the start.
I´m willing to have the U.I.M rulebook with me for reference or ideas.

 

[DAREDEVIL]

What we are going to try is to bring it down to 3 P- classes,,so we will have more boats in each class !!!

Length rules and so on.

Thats the idea.

Like 80,90,110 MPH

up to >32, >36, >40 feet

80 MPH only single engine boats ??

Something like that,, I KNOW IT WILL NEVER BE FAIR,,but maybe close.

 

[DAREDEVIL]

You tell us what class they SHOULD be in, not what class people race them in....

SVL -90mph
Outboard Cat -100mph
SuperCat Light -120mph
Super Vee -100mph
Old F2 -85mph
Old F1 -80mph

I think old F-2 is more 90 ?!

 

[MOBILEMERCMAN]

Aside from matching break out speeds thru the orgs they are fine IMO.

Scott what could be more fair? Less laps? LOL

Paul , I don't follow. The point of Brackets is to disregard spec origins.

F1 is over . Next evolution is SVL or Class 4

F2 is over. Next evolution is SV or class 4 or Class 3

F1 and F2 were similar speeds before the staggers.

 

[Ratickle]

What we are going to try is to bring it down to 3 P- classes,,so we will have more boats in each class !!!

Length rules and so on.

Thats the idea.

Like 80,90,110 MPH

>33, >36, > 40 feet

80 MPH only single engine boats ??

Something like that,, I KNOW IT WILL NEVER BE FAIR,,but maybe close.

You really need the under 30, Vee only, 70 or 75 class. Look at the OPA. The most competition is in classes 6 and 5.

 

[MOBILEMERCMAN]

You really need the under 30, Vee only, 70 or 75 class. Look at the OPA. The most competition is in classes 6 and 5.

So why talk about changing it?

 

[DAREDEVIL]

Aside from matching break out speeds thru the orgs they are fine IMO.

Scott what could be more fair? Less laps? LOL

Paul , I don't follow. The point of Brackets is to disregard spec origins.

F1 is over . Next evolution is SVL or Class 4

F2 is over. Next evolution is SV or class 4 or Class 3

F1 and F2 were similar speeds before the staggers.

Jim,,,and all u guys.

THIS IS NOT MY IDEA,,JUST POSTING THIS FOR A COUPLE OF PEOPLE.
I SPOKE TO RICH D. AND HE AGREED TO MAKE A MEATING TO DISCUSS THIS.
Also, realy don't care about same bracket speeds in diffrent org. since nobody is showing up anyways.

We gonna try to fix 1 org. ( SBI ) we can't fix all at once !?

 

[Ratickle]

Aside from matching break out speeds thru the orgs they are fine IMO.

Scott what could be more fair? Less laps? LOL

Paul , I don't follow. The point of Brackets is to disregard spec origins.

F1 is over . Next evolution is SVL or Class 4

F2 is over. Next evolution is SV or class 4 or Class 3

F1 and F2 were similar speeds before the staggers.

I understand that. But, with those spec classes as starters, if they were all of a sudden gone, and only P classes remained, where would they fit? Gives a starting point everyone can agree on maybe. Like you say, F1 and F2 are gone, where do they fit? As the P classes become more and more popular, say what you want, can I take my old supercat light and run it in class 3 with a reprop?

Maybe a better choice of Spec classes to start with?

 

[MOBILEMERCMAN]

Well Scott I wish you the best and will not but in anymore.

Last word just fit in don't try to change for your specific needs.

 

[DAREDEVIL]

You really need the under 30, Vee only, 70 or 75 class. Look at the OPA. The most competition is in classes 6 and 5.

IN SBI we really don't have that many boats so why think about what OPA does.
We changed the rules for this year from 82-85 in P-4,,,i had my boat dialed in @ 81.8 max,,,,perfect. then we changed it to get some other teams from opa involved ( request ) i and other teams agreed,,,and how many teams ahowed up ????

 

[DAREDEVIL]

Well Scott I wish you the best and will not but in anymore.

Last word just fit in don't try to change for your specific needs.

Its not because of me !!!!!!!!!!!!

in the last post i used me as an example ,,,but i can care less.

Also ,,please,,,u think all the P5 boats SBI has can NOT run 80????? LOL

 

[MOBILEMERCMAN]

I understand that. But, with those spec classes as starters, if they were all of a sudden gone, and only P classes remained, where would they fit? Gives a starting point everyone can agree on maybe. Like you say, F1 and F2 are gone, where do they fit? As the P classes become more and more popular, say what you want, can I take my old supercat light and run it in class 3 with a reprop?

Maybe a better choice of Spec classes to start with?

It seems pretty clear F2 run class 4
F1 run class 5
SVL run class 4
Cat OB run class 3
Cat light class 1

How much better can it get?

 

[Ratickle]

We gonna try to fix 1 org. ( SBI ) we can't fix all at once !?

You can try to standardize. I expect all the orgs will be represented there. It is a good start.

I still would like to see a combined of GPS maximum and average lap speed. But, too controversial.

And the spec class in UIM is different yet. They have time penalties I believe for going over, not automatic dq's.

 

[Ratickle]

IN SBI we really don't have that many boats so why think about what OPA does.
We changed the rules for this year from 82-85 in P-4,,,i had my boat dialed in @ 81.8 max,,,,perfect. then we changed it to get some other teams from opa involved ( request ) i and other teams agreed,,,and how many teams ahowed up ????

I think this year was a bad year overall for Offshore participation. A lot was the cost as it pertains to sponsors $ to run multiple orgs.

 

[MOBILEMERCMAN]

can I take my old supercat light and run it in class 3 with a reprop?

Sure, And we will get Jenni to add a Skirt to your number box. :biggrinjester:

 

[Ratickle]

It seems pretty clear F2 run class 4
F1 run class 5
SVL run class 4
Cat OB run class 3
Cat light class 1

How much better can it get?

Did you just change CatOB while I was quoting????