Deadline is set for Fountain bidders

[DollaBill]

OK, never ever east of the miss river.

 

[Ratickle]

OK, never ever east of the miss river.

You're more familiar with Fountain than most. What hulls do they have that would enhance the Hustler lineup?

 

[Magic Medicine]

You're more familiar with Fountain than most. What hulls do they have that would enhance the Hustler lineup?

I really like the 42's. I think they are under rated by most in terms rough water capability. I really curious as to the opinions of the 38' you never seem to hear much about them??????

 

[DollaBill]

The 38 is a great boat, but my feelings were/are always that if you want a 35 thats great but if you want bigger and you look at the 38 you're getting close to the 42 in price and going from the 35 to the 42 is like going from a mustang GT to a Z06 Vette. Diff animals. The 42 Ftn, 38 Cig and 41 Apache hulls are the best hulls ever designed.

The weak point in most 42's for big water has usually been the quality of the stuff holding other stuff together (I lost an entire galley and headliner one day in honest 6's) and the bravo drives hooked to the 525's.

Other than that the 42's are awesome in the rough.

 

[cosmic12]

I heard Jimm Darr has the largest bid in on it and will be bringing it back to its former glory and also be adding a marina called Super Vee Cove.:26::03::seeya:

 

[Magic Medicine]

The 38 is a great boat, but my feelings were/are always that if you want a 35 thats great but if you want bigger and you look at the 38 you're getting close to the 42 in price and going from the 35 to the 42 is like going from a mustang GT to a Z06 Vette. Diff animals. The 42 Ftn, 38 Cig and 41 Apache hulls are the best hulls ever designed.

The weak point in most 42's for big water has usually been the quality of the stuff holding other stuff together (I lost an entire galley and headliner one day in honest 6's) and the bravo drives hooked to the 525's.

Other than that the 42's are awesome in the rough.

Thanks!

 

[db71]

Jim already has a manufacturing facility set up he is using super lightweight composites used in Yamaha jet skis with a aluminum honeycomb coring he will add this to the fountain lineup along with his high performance diesels with two speed transmissions he designed. He will also make a fountain cat mold from the yellow all aluminum cat he bought that still needed rigged. He will put Ginos props on one of these along with some exhaust he still owes someone for. and the best part he is sending the bank a wire on monday for 10mil to buy fountain it is already a done deal.

 

[JupiterSunsation]

Jim already has a manufacturing facility set up he is using super lightweight composites used in Yamaha jet skis with a aluminum honeycomb coring he will add this to the fountain lineup along with his high performance diesels with two speed transmissions he designed. He will also make a fountain cat mold from the yellow all aluminum cat he bought that still needed rigged. He will put Ginos props on one of these along with some exhaust he still owes someone for. and the best part he is sending the bank a wire on monday for 10mil to buy fountain it is already a done deal.

and he has new one piece wrap around windshields like he put on his Skater.... Luckily he sold his lake house to Brad Pitt so he has all the funds to do this and a few bucks left over to sponsor the shootout next year...

 

[JupiterSunsation]

The new modified Hallet 40 400-T at 92 mph for $425,000 w 700's put them in the competitor bracket for me.

Checkmate is/was the "other" guy when competing against the Baja brand as far as I was concerned around here.

And Nordic against Baja out west.

I did say Fountain/Baja...

No way......Bill is 100% right on, they were never the other boat/competitor for Fountains. Hallett probably hasn't made 10 of those 40 footers....

 

[JupiterSunsation]

If Fountain survives and does what you suggest, abandon the under 35', who builds the entry and middle price boat ?
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Like most manufacturers have found it takes the same amount of time/money to build a small boat as it does a bigger version. Fountain is not competitive under 35 ft. so don't try to be Chevrolet and offer a product for everyone out there, it thins you out and you can't make any money! Leave the smaller market to people with smaller overhead....

 

[Buoy]

Jim already has a manufacturing facility set up he is using super lightweight composites used in Yamaha jet skis with a aluminum honeycomb coring he will add this to the fountain lineup along with his high performance diesels with two speed transmissions he designed. He will also make a fountain cat mold from the yellow all aluminum cat he bought that still needed rigged. He will put Ginos props on one of these along with some exhaust he still owes someone for. and the best part he is sending the bank a wire on monday for 10mil to buy fountain it is already a done deal.

That is a plan for failure.
Gino's props will either be stolen or damaged by the time this all comes to fruition.

 

[Ratickle]

No way......Bill is 100% right on, they were never the other boat/competitor for Fountains. Hallett probably hasn't made 10 of those 40 footers....

I said the "New" Hallet 40. Little less price, almost same speed as the Fountain. Don't really care what Fountain used to do, they're gone. I'm talking about builders out there now, not bankrupt but building boats, who would be competion to Hustler if they purchased Baja/Fountain.

 

[Ratickle]

Like most manufacturers have found it takes the same amount of time/money to build a small boat as it does a bigger version. Fountain is not competitive under 35 ft. so don't try to be Chevrolet and offer a product for everyone out there, it thins you out and you can't make any money! Leave the smaller market to people with smaller overhead....

Don't forget the Baja line they just bought. Most of their lineup is less than 35 feet.

 

[JupiterSunsation]

Don't forget the Baja line they just bought. Most of their lineup is less than 35 feet.

Hence the bankruptcy........:ack2:

 

[JupiterSunsation]

I said the "New" Hallet 40. Little less price, almost same speed as the Fountain. Don't really care what Fountain used to do, they're gone. I'm talking about builders out there now, not bankrupt but building boats, who would be competion to Hustler if they purchased Baja/Fountain.

Anyone can be competition.... If a guy has 500K to spend on a go fast anyone would be happy to court them as a customer. Hustler recently brought out the Razor but I have yet to see one in FL (other than on display at the show). Their 50 was cool but once again haven't seen one lately (like 5 years +). If they plan on being competition then they need to build/sell boats. Fountain was good at the production end and had the dealer network to stock the boats but when the dealers slowed down Fountain choked.

Hustler hasn't made any large quantity of boats, has no dealer network and is bringing what other than money to the table?

 

[Ratickle]

Anyone can be competition.... If a guy has 500K to spend on a go fast anyone would be happy to court them as a customer. Hustler recently brought out the Razor but I have yet to see one in FL (other than on display at the show). Their 50 was cool but once again haven't seen one lately (like 5 years +). If they plan on being competition then they need to build/sell boats. Fountain was good at the production end and had the dealer network to stock the boats but when the dealers slowed down Fountain choked.

Hustler hasn't made any large quantity of boats, has no dealer network and is bringing what other than money to the table?

So maybe the money is for the dealer network?????

 

[JupiterSunsation]

So maybe the money is for the dealer network?????

uhh no the dealer network is not owned by Fountain it is supplied by Fountain. Shogren is not owned by Fountain, it is owned by Scott Shogren. The dealer network is not a Fountain asset. It is a channel for them to sell product but not a balance sheet asset.

 

[Dreamer]

and the existing dealer network is just waiting to load up their inventory and floorplan tons of boats.....................................

 

[JupiterSunsation]

and the existing dealer network is just waiting to load up their inventory and floorplan tons of boats.....................................

sure because they made such huge profits so far in 09 they need more inventory for 2010 so they can get the banks to floorplan another homerun year! :lurk5:


Assuming they have sold out of their 07's, 08's and 09's.......

 

[Ratickle]

uhh no the dealer network is not owned by Fountain it is supplied by Fountain. Shogren is not owned by Fountain, it is owned by Scott Shogren. The dealer network is not a Fountain asset. It is a channel for them to sell product but not a balance sheet asset.

Right. But, if you have a dealership that sells Fountains and Baja's, and a new owner takes over both plus has another existing high end lineup, wouldn't you pretty much have not much of a choice???

Just like the reason Fiat was interested in Chrysler.....An American outlet for their vehicles.