Reactive Attachment Disorder

[catastrophe]

Okay, I'll take that as the main point.
1. Career polticians are not smart people who make decisions based on what is best, right, good for the country, etc., etc.

2. Someone, an idiot most likely, decided that the upstage of choosing a woman as a running partner FIRST as a Republican would upstage anything , and anyone, the Dems may have chosen or done during their party's party (oops, convention).

3. The Vice Presidential candidaates have been chosen by the exact same process over all the elections since JFK chose Johnson. Who will give me the biggest bang for the buck in areas I'm weak, and won't hurt me in areas I'm strong?

That is the only reason VP's are chosen. It has nothing to do with talent, smarts, speaking ability, or ability to take over as potentially the most powerful person in the country.

Anyone who honestly thinks otherwise, also believes that career politicians are in it to help someone other than themselves. Wake up, only those who leave other businesses and careers, or sacrifice personal well-being are doing it because they care. Not most of these guys.

OK

For education purposes only..How many people and who in particular in this case would have been involved in this choice. Would it have been just those running the McCain campaign or would it have been a party wide group and previous to the actual decision how many people would have sat with McCain for interviews? How long before it happened would Palin have known?
Why wouldn't something that significant have been leaked ? If I remember when it happened it was a surprise to everyone including lots of people in the Republican party.

 

[Indy]

Someone so unqualified that it would have endangered our country- a decision made with total disregard for the country out of greed and political aspiration.

You're talking about Obama right?

 

[Chris]

I never said it was a huge development, I said it was a huge issue.

One last time, and I'll talk slow this time:

I was referring to the utter and complete ridiculousness of mccain's CHOOSING HER. Someone so unqualified that it would have endangered our country- a decision made with total disregard for the country out of greed and political aspiration. JohnnyMac and his syncophants should be held accountable for this, but I won't hold my breath.

No doubt McCain chose her on a reactionary urge. McCain had poor advisers and campaign staff and they simply weren't able to keep pace with Obama's fast moving and media savvy campaign tactics. It didn't hurt that McCain was swimming upstream against a strong current of discontent (boredom) with the war in the Middle East and a softening economy.

Having said that, I haven't seen anything from Obama yet that would suggest that he's any more knowledgeable or capable than Sarah Palin. His resume certainly isn't any more full than hers. But one place he's ahead of every politician in the U.S. today- he's got slick, style and political presence nailed.

 

[fund razor]

Well, um err.... um.... well.... er.... um...ummm.... as long as the prompter is working he's fine.

 

[Trim'd Up]

Jay, you keep bringing up Palin's lack of experience, which I don't really disagree with. Just explain to me how in the hell you think your messiah is more experienced. Is it the position as a half term senator that never showed up for work, or his position as community organizer that one ups the position of governor? At least Palin does have "some" executive experience.

 

[Ratickle]

OK

For education purposes only..How many people and who in particular in this case would have been involved in this choice. Would it have been just those running the McCain campaign or would it have been a party wide group and previous to the actual decision how many people would have sat with McCain for interviews? How long before it happened would Palin have known?
Why wouldn't something that significant have been leaked ? If I remember when it happened it was a surprise to everyone including lots of people in the Republican party.

This is probably the article that stands out in my mind the most about what happened during the campaign. The VP choice starts on page 5.

Don't forget, at the time Palin was announced, the campaign was so far behind Obama's as to be lost and the Dem's party was that week....

It did steal every headline during their convention.


http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/26/magazine/26mccain-t.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1

 

[Ted]

Oh, come on. Did you expect a massive problem like this to become magically fixed OVERNIGHT? They've said from the beginning that it would take 2 years minimum, and job recovery will take even longer.

Actually we were told they had to vote on it within HOURS (without even knowing what was in it) to save the economy from imploding. And now about 10 percent of it is on the street, the economy hasn't imploded and huge Dem firms like Goldman Sacks are going to give their peeps billions in bonuses after getting help from OUR money. And as icing on the cake.......we won't even START to look at what the money is being spent on until late 2010 or maybe 2011. Ah yes, this why the country will move back to it's conservative ways, because anyone with common sense knows that what we have now is NO way to run a country. And to get back on the thread- this is the message that struck a chord with so many of Palin's supporters. If you cut through all her missteps and all the BS piled on her by the Dems and their pals in the press, she talks about core conservative principles, and people relate and understand that.

 

[Ted]

OK

For education purposes only..How many people and who in particular in this case would have been involved in this choice. Would it have been just those running the McCain campaign or would it have been a party wide group and previous to the actual decision how many people would have sat with McCain for interviews? How long before it happened would Palin have known?
Why wouldn't something that significant have been leaked ? If I remember when it happened it was a surprise to everyone including lots of people in the Republican party.

I think the party in general left McCain out in the woods on the whole campaign. He was a throw away candidate like Dole was against Clinton. The party elite knew there was no way to win with Bush's abyssmal ratings and McCain was the old war horse that needed to be given a shot so he wouldn't come back again. (Remember that Dole also made a couple of unsuccessful runs before facing Clinton) He and his advisers probably decided that a hail mary was all that might save him and so they went with it, the party guys may have known very little about it. And before the media rape of Palin she was a pretty well regarded politician. But they had a candidate they needed in there so no stone was left unturned and they did whatever they could to trip her up. I hope that her next move is to one of the networks (likely Fox) where she can be let loose to gore a few oxen on the other side. Gotta admit she looks a lot better than Rush Limbaugh.

 

[Geronimo36]

The "HUGE" story is the left's continued obsession with a politian who lost a vice presidentail election bid. Nothing more than stratigic deflection from the Obama and Congress continued and rapid destruction of a nation.

Add to it one who decided not to resign and not run for re-election;

It's all old news if you ask me and it's time for the media, the people and the politicians to focus on the CURRENT task at hand. Talk about what is and what is NOT working. Get spending under CONTROL and stop the SOCIALIST movement. :lurk5:

 

[BUIZILLA]

Having said that, I haven't seen anything from Obama yet that would suggest that he's any more knowledgeable or capable than Sarah Palin. His resume certainly isn't any more full than hers.

Jay, you keep bringing up Palin's lack of experience, which I don't really disagree with. Just explain to me how in the hell you think your messiah is more experienced. Is it the position as a half term senator that never showed up for work, or his position as community organizer that one ups the position of governor? At least Palin does have "some" executive experience.

that's my entire point, why is Palin such a vapid candidate and Oby wasn't? :cuss:

 

[Playn]

that's my entire point, why is Palin such a vapid candidate and Oby wasn't? :cuss:

That's easy....it fits their needs. Right now they want any news that will take the focus off an inept, out of control administration. They had to be jumping up and down with joy with the Michael Jackson news along with the Sanford camp. Anything that deflects is good.

 

[Geronimo36]

That's easy....it fits their needs. Right now they want any news that will take the focus off an inept, out of control administration. They had to be jumping up and down with joy with the Michael Jackson news along with the Sanford camp. Anything that deflects is good.

I agree.....

 

[LaughingCat]

Its real clear to me the point Jay considers huge. He's stated it 3 different times here on this thread.
Its got nothing to do with Obama or anyone else.

Its a debate on how a party with so much talent and experienced people within it with so much more to offer in running the country ended up putting MS Palin forward as #2.
The fact that it happened a few months ago is not the point.

Its how that happened and why that happened when clearly there were better choices in the Republican Party.

If you took the best politicol pundits in each of the states and had them write down their top 20 choices for a running mate in the election I suspect Palins name wouldnt have been on any list. How did McCain come up with her name? Who put it forward ? No disrespect to the lady. The lady's experience was quite naturally limited if only by where in the country she came from.

Very well said. it goes along with my disappointment in McCain. I would've loved him as the candidate in 2000. It was stolen from him in a dirty manner, I personally believe.

But the fact that he didn't rise to the occassion and pick someone like Romney as his running mate was horrendous.

 

[LaughingCat]

First, it is great that we are debating the topic now. I agree with this point. But none of us want to forsake the importance of the VP selection, because they truly are second in command, although normally stand at the end of the food line during normal Administrative operations. But since they will be wisked from the back of the line to the podium at a moments notice, (Kennedy's assasination) they must stand ready at all moments to assume the role of POTUS. With that said, our last truly qualified VP was Bush Senior.

And whetehr we agree or not, if Obama picked Hillary, he would have someone ready to go at a moment's notice. We may not like what she would do, but she could a$$-rape a terrorist in a second with the right moves jsut to prove to doubters that she truly does wear the penis in her marriage.

But we are where we are right now. And hopefully, the Republican party will form a winning package for 2012 the united hard liners and moderates. Because if the bickering within the ranks continues, Obama will join the 2-term club.

3. The Vice Presidential candidaates have been chosen by the exact same process over all the elections since JFK chose Johnson. Who will give me the biggest bang for the buck in areas I'm weak, and won't hurt me in areas I'm strong?

 

[LaughingCat]

No doubt McCain chose her on a reactionary urge. McCain had poor advisers and campaign staff and they simply weren't able to keep pace with Obama's fast moving and media savvy campaign tactics. It didn't hurt that McCain was swimming upstream against a strong current of discontent (boredom) with the war in the Middle East and a softening economy.

Having said that, I haven't seen anything from Obama yet that would suggest that he's any more knowledgeable or capable than Sarah Palin. His resume certainly isn't any more full than hers. But one place he's ahead of every politician in the U.S. today- he's got slick, style and political presence nailed.

My understanding, and it is based on political punditry, not direct knowledge, was McCain took his VP decision cues from the likes of William Kristol, who has been a disaster at calculating political tactics. He is the antithesis of KArl Rove. I always loved McCain's "maverick" style, but this was a moment where his gut served him wrong. Like calling an all-in bet with high card thinking the other guy is bluffing. Total gamble.

But because McCain lost, he is no longer consider a leader of the party. Much like how Al Gore and John Kerry were relegated to the kiddie room once they lost. The party needs new leadership, and it's not coming from the wanna-be home boy Steele.

 

[Bobcat]

:sifone:

 

[Ratickle]

My understanding, and it is based on political punditry, not direct knowledge, was McCain took his VP decision cues from the likes of William Kristol, who has been a disaster at calculating political tactics. He is the antithesis of KArl Rove. I always loved McCain's "maverick" style, but this was a moment where his gut served him wrong. Like calling an all-in bet with high card thinking the other guy is bluffing. Total gamble.

But because McCain lost, he is no longer consider a leader of the party. Much like how Al Gore and John Kerry were relegated to the kiddie room once they lost. The party needs new leadership, and it's not coming from the wanna-be home boy Steele.

Read the article I linked above. A very well written, and absolutely nothing yet from anyone saying it's inaccurate, article with the inside stuff.

 

[BUIZILLA]

That's easy....it fits their needs. Right now they want any news that will take the focus off an inept, out of control administration. They had to be jumping up and down with joy with the Michael Jackson news along with the Sanford camp. Anything that deflects is good.

agreed

Very well said. it goes along with my disappointment in McCain. I would've loved him as the candidate in 2000. It was stolen from him in a dirty manner, I personally believe.

But the fact that he didn't rise to the occassion and pick someone like Romney as his running mate was horrendous.

absolutely agreed, Mitt was my man allllll the way

With that said, our last truly qualified VP was Bush Senior.

for sure

The party needs new leadership, and it's not coming from the wanna-be home boy Steele.

this is 100% true

see, we're not that far apart.... :USA:

 

[LaughingCat]

Read the article I linked above. A very well written, and absolutely nothing yet from anyone saying it's inaccurate, article with the inside stuff.

Printing it now and taking to luchwith me

 

[jayboat]

Having said that, I haven't seen anything from Obama yet that would suggest that he's any more knowledgeable or capable than Sarah Palin. His resume certainly isn't any more full than hers.

You must be friggin jokin. How can you say that with a straight face?

this is why I'm off this thread. Comparing a petty, narcissistic bimbo (do some research on her tenure in Wasilla) who went to five different colleges before she managed to graduate, to a constitutional scholar who was the editor of the Harvard Law Review is beyond me.

Perfect example of what is wrong with the gop these days.
Intelligent people toeing the party line for no reason other than ?