Reactive Attachment Disorder

[MarylandMark]

Blame it on Bush- That's all they have since throwing trillions of dollars at it has been an utter failure. They couldn't lose- fix it take the credit, if it fails blame it on the previous admin. As much as I'd like to say Obama is the only one I can't- every administration does pretty much the same thing.

 

[jayboat]

Blame it on Bush- That's all they have since throwing trillions of dollars at it has been an utter failure. They couldn't lose- fix it take the credit, if it fails blame it on the previous admin. As much as I'd like to say Obama is the only one I can't- every administration does pretty much the same thing.

Oh, come on. Did you expect a massive problem like this to become magically fixed OVERNIGHT? They've said from the beginning that it would take 2 years minimum, and job recovery will take even longer.

 

[Ratickle]

Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. - Winston Churchill



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Here is the S&P 500 with key dates in time.....

 

[Ratickle]

Current Approval (with time frames)

 

[Ratickle]

How many examples do we need before we say enough? His advisors have no clue. Why? Because he's appointed all payback's for getting him elected and intellectuals who have never spent any time in the real world solving real world issues.


Obama, "We will go further into recession if we don't bail out the banks." We bailed them out thrice and the recession deepened.

Obama, "We have to free up credit to get our economy moving again." Banks have tightened credit across all sectors, including home loans and credit cards.

Obama, "The trillion-dollar stimulus plan will keep unemployment rates at or below 8%. It will create a million new jobs." Unemployment is at 9.5% and expected to go even higher by year's end.

Obama, "We can not let GM fail." He then proceeded to bail them out, fire their CEO, and become a majority stakeholder. GM is now in bankruptcy.

 

[BUIZILLA]

You just cannot stay on topic, can you?... because you really have nothing factual to add to the topic.

okay, once again you've used the FACTUAL word..

with that said, what FACTS do YOU have of this HUGE development you speak of?

nobody has seen it yet...

including you..

we're waiting...

now, stay on topic would ya :sifone:

 

[LaughingCat]

i thought we were arguing the ignorant virtues if Caribou Barbie

 

[jayboat]

okay, once again you've used the FACTUAL word..

with that said, what FACTS do YOU have of this HUGE development you speak of?

nobody has seen it yet...

including you..

we're waiting...

now, stay on topic would ya :sifone:

I never said it was a huge development, I said it was a huge issue.

One last time, and I'll talk slow this time:

I was referring to the utter and complete ridiculousness of mccain's CHOOSING HER. Someone so unqualified that it would have endangered our country- a decision made with total disregard for the country out of greed and political aspiration. JohnnyMac and his syncophants should be held accountable for this, but I won't hold my breath.

 

[Ratickle]

i thought we were arguing the ignorant virtues if Caribou Barbie

I have a tough time discussing her because I don't really care.

Was she ever qualified to be POTUS, No. Was Obama, No.

Did she quit a commitment as an elected official to persue other interests, Yes. Did Obama, Yes.

Will she ever be a politician on the national level again, No. Will Obama, case still open.



I think she got a better money offer and jumped at the chance, much as a ball-player changes teams. Except ball-players have to live up to their contracts until they expire. As far as I'm concerned it shows a complete lack of character and principles. So, what's to discuss?

 

[Buoy]

So Jay, let me get this straight...
You're really pizzed because McCain (who lost the election) chose a running mate (who also lost in the election) who later decided to rescind her current office.
I would expect you to be rejoicing that the office is opening for the possibility of a more suitable candidate.
I'm uncertain why you are so upset that she walked away.
Seems like you should consider this a win.

 

[jayboat]

Did she quit a commitment as an elected official to persue other interests, Yes. Did Obama, Yes.

Please elaborate.

 

[BUIZILLA]

I said it was a huge issue.

I was referring to the utter and complete ridiculousness of mccain's CHOOSING HER. Someone so unqualified that it would have endangered our country- a decision made with total disregard for the country out of greed and political aspiration. JohnnyMac and his syncophants should be held accountable for this, but I won't hold my breath.

let's see, this news ended 8 months ago.... old news.... this is 2009... get up on your current events..

now, where's the NEW HUGE NEWS ISSUE you speak of..??

we're waiting...

 

[Ratickle]

Please elaborate.

Both used the office they were elected to as stepping stones to other interests. Palin was probably less culpable in the beginning and just got caught up in the "you're so wonderful" BS that party leaders throw around. Then, after half a term as governor, quit to go for the money (my belief). In her defense, she has to do it now, because even if she finished her term, she has no chance of running for President and no leading candidate will ever choose her again. Her chance to make big money is now.

Obama showed up less than half the time in the Senate to vote on issues that effect all of us every day. It was not nearly as important to him as running for President. I firmly believe that politicians should have to remove themselves from their current offices to run for a new office. The job they are elected to do does not get done properly under the current rules. And these people really do not care about that.

Both made promises to get elected to the offices they held. Both broke those promises. There is no way to make a remote argument they didn't.

The only argument which can be made is "That's the way politics work".

 

[Ratickle]

The only way I can display my principles is, If I tell you I'm taking you out in the boat to shoot a race cause I like to discuss politics with you, another photographer offers me big money to take them out, my commitment to you is going to be honored. Period, that's my belief of what should happen, that's what is gonna happen.

You don't comprimise Principles, Morals, Ethics. Period

 

[catastrophe]

Its real clear to me the point Jay considers huge. He's stated it 3 different times here on this thread.
Its got nothing to do with Obama or anyone else.

Its a debate on how a party with so much talent and experienced people within it with so much more to offer in running the country ended up putting MS Palin forward as #2.
The fact that it happened a few months ago is not the point.

Its how that happened and why that happened when clearly there were better choices in the Republican Party.

If you took the best politicol pundits in each of the states and had them write down their top 20 choices for a running mate in the election I suspect Palins name wouldnt have been on any list. How did McCain come up with her name? Who put it forward ? No disrespect to the lady. The lady's experience was quite naturally limited if only by where in the country she came from.

 

[Expensive Date]

I was referring to the utter and complete ridiculousness of mccain's CHOOSING HER.

I feel it was a crap shot Jay he needed to bring the Hillary supporters over to him.Had the media not torn Sarah apart it probably would have worked.
I really don't let any of this crap get to me its all BS the government has such little effect on the economy anyway

 

[Ted]

I never said it was a huge development, I said it was a huge issue.

One last time, and I'll talk slow this time:

I was referring to the utter and complete ridiculousness of mccain's CHOOSING HER. Someone so unqualified that it would have endangered our country- a decision made with total disregard for the country out of greed and political aspiration. JohnnyMac and his syncophants should be held accountable for this, but I won't hold my breath.

So, my poll from LAST WEEK (from Rasmussen BTW) is not news since your guys are tanking, but we are supposed to hold McCain, who is nothing but a Senator and not by any means a force in the party for a choice he made in an election cycle that ended in November?????


Yeah, okay, let's go with that.:icon_bs:

 

[phragle]

I firmly believe that politicians should have to remove themselves from their current offices to run for a new office. The job they are elected to do does not get done properly under the current rules. And these people really do not care about that.


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What other job can one hold while ignoring present work responsibilites to actively seek a new job while on the company clock?? Thats pretty much grounds for instant termination isn't it???

 

[Ratickle]

Its real clear to me the point Jay considers huge. He's stated it 3 different times here on this thread.
Its got nothing to do with Obama or anyone else.

Its a debate on how a party with so much talent and experienced people within it with so much more to offer in running the country ended up putting MS Palin forward as #2.

The fact that it happened a few months ago is not the point.

Its how that happened and why that happened when clearly there were better choices in the Republican Party.

If you took the best politicol pundits in each of the states and had them write down their top 20 choices for a running mate in the election I suspect Palins name wouldnt have been on any list. How did McCain come up with her name? Who put it forward ? No disrespect to the lady. The lady's experience was quite naturally limited if only by where in the country she came from.

Okay, I'll take that as the main point.
1. Career polticians are not smart people who make decisions based on what is best, right, good for the country, etc., etc.

2. Someone, an idiot most likely, decided that the upstage of choosing a woman as a running partner FIRST as a Republican would upstage anything , and anyone, the Dems may have chosen or done during their party's party (oops, convention).

3. The Vice Presidential candidaates have been chosen by the exact same process over all the elections since JFK chose Johnson. Who will give me the biggest bang for the buck in areas I'm weak, and won't hurt me in areas I'm strong?

That is the only reason VP's are chosen. It has nothing to do with talent, smarts, speaking ability, or ability to take over as potentially the most powerful person in the country.

Anyone who honestly thinks otherwise, also believes that career politicians are in it to help someone other than themselves. Wake up, only those who leave other businesses and careers, or sacrifice personal well-being are doing it because they care. Not most of these guys.

 

[Ratickle]

So, my poll from LAST WEEK (from Rasmussen BTW) is not news since your guys are tanking, but we are supposed to hold McCain, who is nothing but a Senator and not by any means a force in the party for a choice he made in an election cycle that ended in November?????


Yeah, okay, let's go with that.:icon_bs:

This weeks is above.