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    10-15-2009 06:50 PM
    What ever happened to that web site and anyone know what the real story behind it was? Was it a joke? Legit?


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    10-15-2009 06:59 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Dude! Sweet! View Post
    What ever happened to that web site and anyone know what the real story behind it was? Was it a joke? Legit?
    I thik it was his son trying to get funds to get him out ??!!!
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    10-16-2009 01:27 AM
    Quote Originally Posted by DAREDEVIL View Post
    I thik it was his son trying to get funds to get him out ??!!!
    and use the the funds for what? Another helicopter charter?
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    10-16-2009 02:06 AM
    jetpack...helicopters are so oldschool....
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    10-18-2009 01:15 PM
    Ben apparently has some action that would allow him to have the RICO part of his case overturned which would then give him new sentencing which he at this point would have done time served on as well as the rest of the convictions he has which he has already served at this point!!!!
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    10-18-2009 01:33 PM
    Well if thats the case i think it would be easy to raise some cash
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    10-18-2009 02:16 PM
    He'll die where he is. What motivation would the State of Florida and the US DoJ have to release a major dope smuggler and confessed capital murderer?

    It's not like we're talking about the freeing of Mandela from prison. But by present standards he's probabaly qualified for a Nobel.
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    10-18-2009 02:38 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    He'll die where he is. What motivation would the State of Florida and the US DoJ have to release a major dope smuggler and confessed capital murderer?

    It's not like we're talking about the freeing of Mandela from prison. But by present standards he's probabaly qualified for a Nobel.
    AGAIN,,,he is not a confessed murderer !!!!!!
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    10-18-2009 02:38 PM
    eh, let him out on the condition he has to race again. Look at it this way, the price of weed would prob plunge for all you pot heads
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    10-18-2009 02:44 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Dollabill View Post
    eh, let him out on the condition he has to race again. Look at it this way, the price of weed would prob plunge for all you pot heads
    win win!!
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    10-18-2009 02:49 PM
    on legal terms DD is right.
    He took a no contest so he didn´t challenge the accusations.
    And the motive was to get to a better facility.

    He shoulda done it in Sweden...
    I know a few guys who served time during summers by a lake in a log cabin village that was fenced but the gate was open..
    Guys were sentenced to the biggest tax fraud in Sweden, hiring illegal manpower for constructions, money laundering etc etc..
    Well at least the Globen was built in time...and the sentences considered a joke overhere ..
    Offshore Racing wasn´t designed to be a spectator sport, it's for people or companies with's lots of money to push the envelope of endurance technology and hopefully put a trophy on a mantle. It's man vs the elements, not like boats with like engines running in circles.
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    10-18-2009 02:55 PM
    All he has to do it write a book and he'll have all the $$ he needs to get out.

    Look for a copy of Thunderboat Row lately?
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    10-18-2009 02:59 PM
    he could do even a fiction book or Screenwriting... think Cocaine Cowboys...
    Offshore Racing wasn´t designed to be a spectator sport, it's for people or companies with's lots of money to push the envelope of endurance technology and hopefully put a trophy on a mantle. It's man vs the elements, not like boats with like engines running in circles.
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    10-18-2009 03:37 PM
    No contest means that you don't dispute the charges and accept the consequences. And you surrender any and all right to appeal. You're splitting hairs on the "didn't confess" aspect. And the politicians who will make the decisions on his release know there's really no difference.
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    10-18-2009 04:36 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    . And you surrender any and all right to appeal. You're splitting hairs on the "didn't confess" aspect. And the politicians who will make the decisions on his release know there's really no difference.

    Chris.... Though it happens infrequently, and may be the result generalization , you are wrong on this one. While the right to appeal on a nolo contendre varies from state to state on restrictiveness, it is not wholly without appeal. it gets even more complicated when you begin throwing Alford pleas in the mix. What most don't understand is the primary reason for the no contest plea. Although it has become a popular way of accepting a plea bargain to a lessor charge, the actual intent on pleading no contest is that it can not be used as a conviction in civil proceedings.
    this means that if you drive drunk and hit somebody, you can plead no contest to the criminal charge, but in the civil case, they can NOT imply or state that you were convicted of drunk driving. it is up to the prosecuting atty to prove that you were driving drunk, the criminal convection cannot be admitted.
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    10-18-2009 04:43 PM
    I did not know that. Hmmmm, next time......
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    10-18-2009 06:04 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by phragle View Post
    Chris.... Though it happens infrequently, and may be the result generalization , you are wrong on this one. While the right to appeal on a nolo contendre varies from state to state on restrictiveness, it is not wholly without appeal. it gets even more complicated when you begin throwing Alford pleas in the mix. What most don't understand is the primary reason for the no contest plea. Although it has become a popular way of accepting a plea bargain to a lessor charge, the actual intent on pleading no contest is that it can not be used as a conviction in civil proceedings.
    this means that if you drive drunk and hit somebody, you can plead no contest to the criminal charge, but in the civil case, they can NOT imply or state that you were convicted of drunk driving. it is up to the prosecuting atty to prove that you were driving drunk, the criminal convection cannot be admitted.
    In Florida, it doesn't work that way. Florida held in 2005 that "no contest" convictions may be treated as prior convictions for the purposes of future sentencing. http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/d.../sc02-1943.pdf
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    10-18-2009 06:08 PM
    No contest,,,to me means i don't say anything,,,,neither dispute or agree !!!
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    10-18-2009 06:10 PM
    Quote Originally Posted by Chris View Post
    In Florida, it doesn't work that way. Florida held in 2005 that "no contest" convictions may be treated as prior convictions for the purposes of future sentencing. http://www.floridasupremecourt.org/d.../sc02-1943.pdf
    So, it depends on the state?
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    10-18-2009 06:19 PM
    It is, but most follow the federal. Florida is one. There are different appellate interpretations that vary state-to-state.
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