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Iraqis rejoice as U.S. troops leave Baghdad
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BAGHDAD (Reuters) – U.S. troops pulled out of Baghdad on Monday, triggering jubilation among Iraqis hopeful that foreign military occupation is ending six years after the invasion to depose Saddam Hussein.

Iraqi soldiers paraded through the streets in their American-made vehicles draped with Iraqi flags and flowers, chanting, dancing and calling the pullout a "victory."

One drove a motorcycle with party streamers on it; another, a Humvee with a garland of plastic roses on the grill.

U.S. combat troops must pull out of Iraq's urban centers by midnight on Tuesday under a bilateral security pact that also requires all troops to leave the country by 2012.

All had left the capital by Monday afternoon, Major-General in Staff, Abboud Qanbar, head of Iraqi security forces in Baghdad, told Reuters.

Another Iraqi official who would not be named, said some units in cities outside Baghdad would leave at the last minute. Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said 30 bases remained to be handed over. There are still some 130,000 U.S. troops in Iraq.

Addressing military leaders in Baghdad, Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki said: "Our sovereignty has started and ... we should move forward to build a modern state and enjoy security which has been achieved."

Many Iraqis were elated even though they feared militants might use the withdrawal as an opportunity to step up attacks.

"The American forces' withdrawal is something awaited by every Iraqi: male, female, young and old. I consider June 30 to be like a wedding," said Ahmed Hameed, 38, near an ice cream bar in Baghdad's upmarket Karrada district.

"This is proof Iraqis are capable of controlling security inside Iraq," added the recent returnee from exile in Egypt.

The government has declared June 30 a national holiday, "National Sovereignty Day."

"BIG JOY"

A spate of bombings in recent days, including two of the deadliest for more than a year that killed 150 people between them, have raised fears militants will try to step up the pace of attacks.

Yet few Iraqis see that as reason for the Americans to stay.

"It is a big joy to see them leaving," said Abu Hassan, 60, a shop owner. "There might be some more attacks because of struggles between the different parties, but Iraqis are controlling security now. It's up to our forces now."

At a ceremony outside central Baghdad's old defense ministry building, the last Baghdad location to be handed over by U.S. forces, a military band played while soldiers and army college students paraded through a square festooned with Iraqi flags.

"Baghdad is safe, Iraq is safe. We are moving to sovereignty in secure steps," Qanbar said at the ceremony, which unusually was not cordoned off, despite the presence of the commander of U.S. forces in Baghdad, Major-General Daniel Bolger.

U.S. troops will remain at two giant bases near Baghdad airport that are defined as non-urban, in case the Iraqis need to draw on their firepower.

"They'll ask us for help whenever they need something but they've got a lot of capability. This is their country. It only makes sense they should secure their own cities," Bolger said.

More than six years of U.S. occupation and the orgy of sectarian violence it unleashed have left most Iraqis feeling ambivalent about U.S. forces.

Many complain their lives have improved little since then, with daily struggles caused by power cuts and water shortages.

"They did a good job getting rid of that tyrant, Saddam, and we thank them for that, but it's really time for them to leave," said Talib Rasheed, 70, sitting outside in one of Baghdad's leafier suburbs. "Maybe they could leave us some electricity?"
 
It's too bad the SOB's have oil and are strategically positioned in a critical region. Otherwise we could just ignore them like we do the rest of the 3rd world.
 
China already has. They're already deep in there with infrastructure contracts.

Write down the date and time that you read this...

China is no longer generating the revenues they have been with their seemingly endless supply of cheap labor. Their lifestyles and cost of living are rising. Now, other underdeveloped countries are giving them a run for it. China will be branching out into being a regional and probably sub-global provider in a very brief timespan. And watch what happens when someone interferes with that revenue stream- someone like a fundamentalist insurgency. Let's see China get a couple of multi-billion dollar infrastructure contracts that get stagnated by guerilla warfare or terrorism. I think you'll get to see the Chinese version of "peacekeeping" in the very near future.

If the Iraqi's didn't like the boys from Blackwater...
 
actually the chines method of operation goes like this.. find a disressed strategic country, offer bucket loads of money to help the country(with repayment in oil, grain,etcthen secure as many cheap contracts as possible by chinese companies for infrastructure development, goods and services etc at discounted rates..poof china has an ally, raw goods and a large percentage of the money 'given' goes right back to china. the big differance between the way the chinese give 'aid' to the way the us and most other countries do, is that the US wants to ad a bunch of 'human rights" clauses into the deal as well as all kinds of 'conditions" the chinese merely see the benefit to themselves and toss out money unconditionally.
 
the chinese wont fight for the safety of their contracts, they will buy safety. big difference. when they do fight, they will be much more effective as they are not concerned with the image, collateral damage and civilian casualties. if you hit them, they will hit back hard and brutally, not with laser guided precision on selected targets of importance. if your going to pick a fight with someone much bigger than yourself, would it be with uncle sam who will pull the punch, only slapping you across the face just hard enough to get your attention, or with chairman mao, who is going to crack you over the head with a baseball bat as hard as he can, and then take a couple swings while your down for good measure??
 
totally agree, Clay.

six years in, over 4000 dead and many more wounded, a couple trillion down the drain...

and what do we have to show for it? :USA::USA::USA:

they could have left and sang "oh canada" the money doesn't mean squat as it would have been spent anyway, you might want to look up the death rate of the rest of the military during the same time frame, or for that matter society as a whole.
 
they could have left and sang "oh canada" the money doesn't mean squat as it would have been spent anyway, you might want to look up the death rate of the rest of the military during the same time frame, or for that matter society as a whole.

that's ridiculous. 50,000 people starve to death every day on this planet.
does is matter less because it was gonna happen anyway?

are you saying these soldiers were gonna die anyway, so what it just happened to be in an unneccessary war?

geez, dude- you need a reality check- key west has turned your brain to mush.
 
that's ridiculous. 50,000 people starve to death every day on this planet.

not to hijack, but thats a statment that gets me... not because of it being sad, but because of mans attempt to 'solve' the problem... sure you see the emotional tug at the heart strings save the children commercials.. has anyone looked beyond the commercial before they write checks??

1. natural law, if you have more population than resources... mother natures balances the equation

2. so screw mother nature...lets solve the problem and feed them..well what happens..

3. The average impoverished african female begines having children by 15

4. the average impoverished african female has 9, yes 9 children...

5. so you and 20,000 americans send that check off....

6. within 25 years the 10,000 children that were saved turn into 90,000 starving people...

7. OH the humanity!!!!! send more money these people are STARVING!!

8. now there are 810,000 mouths to feed.


was the original problem starvation or overpopulation in comparison to resources??


sorry to hijack..sorry to sound like a cold hearted bastard... reality and nature aren't always pretty.
 
that's ridiculous. 50,000 people starve to death every day on this planet.
does is matter less because it was gonna happen anyway?

are you saying these soldiers were gonna die anyway, so what it just happened to be in an unneccessary war?

geez, dude- you need a reality check- key west has turned your brain to mush.

the banning of DDT is connected with 30 million deaths, so what ? we have been at war since the dawn of man, and will continue to do so. don't you have some photo's to doctor?
 
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