Rumsfeld Exposed

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The steady drip, drip, drip of information on the bush administration continues.

GQ has published an excellent article by Robert Draper on this fool.

Some commentary and highlight from Andrew Sullivan:

How Rummy Spun Bush

I wonder what's worse: a defense secretary who puts Old Testament quotes on progress updates on an invasion of a Muslim country or a defense secretary who thinks this will add to his president's knowledge and expertise. The lethal combination of a Christianist president and a cynical coterie helped make the Iraq debacle happen. The invaluable Robert Draper provides key background here in an evisceration of the tenure of Donald Rumsfeld - with the help of a few Bushies:

Bush enjoyed Rumsfeld’s cussedness, his alpha-dog behavior toward the media. That same behavior toward his colleagues did not seem to bother the president. To Bush, rivalry was healthy, and the full extent of Rumsfeld’s conduct was not known to him for the simple reason, say aides, that they did not wish to trouble the leader of the Free World every time Rumsfeld jerked them around.

But when the Abu Ghraib scandal broke in the spring of 2004, Bush was upset that the Pentagon had not shared the damning photos with him before 60 Minutes II aired them. He called Rumsfeld on the Oval Office carpet, an incident that the White House leaked to The Washington Post to convey the president’s dissatisfaction to the public. Rumsfeld read the story the next morning, May 6, and promptly drafted a letter of resignation. Bush received the letter with bemusement. Ol’ Rummy had called his bluff. The president took no further action.


The picture Draper paints is of highly dysfunctional defense secretary whom Bush couldn't or wouldn't bring into line until he had no choice. The more you see just how out of it the last president was, the more you wonder just exactly what they told the president about torture:

“I certainly, yeah, have every reason to believe he knew...”

The Daily Beast continues the deconstruction of "the man who ruined bush":

Rumsfeld threw truck-size obstacles in the way of deploying troops to New Orleans in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. Claiming that there’d be problems with “unity of command,” Rumsfeld was adamant that only the National Guard be sent out—but they were slow in arriving and did little to stem the chaos. Bush snapped at him for the disorder in a meeting about the situation: “Rumsfeld, what the hell is going on there? Are you watching what’s on television? Is that the United States of America or some Third World nation I’m watching? What the hell are you doing?” Five days after the hurricane hit, Bush told Rumsfeld he had to deploy troops. “If we had put those troops in on Thursday, the narrative of Katrina would be a very different one,” one senior official said.
 
Not sure what's worse...the "Iron Fist" ideals of the past presidency or the "Socialistic" views of the current....

We wanted change and we got it.
 
A very interesting article. I wonder if it will all stand up under scrutiny. If it does, continues to make you wonder about our political processes. If every direct report to Rumsfeld said he should go as it says towards the end of the article, and it didn't happen, .......:ack2:

Wonder if Powell will ever comment on the record?????

Similar, but not as critical in some ways, Pelosi saying she only attended the one briefing where she was lied to, because she was too busy planning election strategy......:boxing_smiley: Where do these people get their priorities? A war with our people dying is less important than electing her buds......:(
 
Not sure what's worse...the "Iron Fist" ideals of the past presidency or the "Socialistic" views of the current....

We wanted change and we got it.

Not sure. But I am certain that the best and brightest we have to offer don't have a chance of ever being elected anymore. That's why they don't run. I could easily list 50 people I would deem more qualified to be President than the last few, or current, and I bet over half would be agreed on by almost all. The election laws passed to only further this two party system need to somehow be deemed unconstitutional.
 
At least with the current admin we don't have to wait 'til the after to see how fukked up they are. The pain here will be a daily reminder. Biden pulled another nice dipshiit move. :o
 
At least with the current admin we don't have to wait 'til the after to see how fukked up they are. The pain here will be a daily reminder. Biden pulled another nice dipshiit move. :o

The current admin has a green light on anything they want to do, they have the house, senate and president. Let's give them a chance and see how this all turns out, everything should be perfect in 4 years.
 
The steady drip, drip, drip of information on the bush administration continues.

GQ has published an excellent article by Robert Draper on this fool.

Some commentary and highlight from Andrew Sullivan:

How Rummy Spun Bush

I wonder what's worse: a defense secretary who puts Old Testament quotes on progress updates on an invasion of a Muslim country or a defense secretary who thinks this will add to his president's knowledge and expertise. The lethal combination of a Christianist president and a cynical coterie helped make the Iraq debacle happen. The invaluable Robert Draper provides key background here in an evisceration of the tenure of Donald Rumsfeld - with the help of a few Bushies:

Bush enjoyed Rumsfeld’s cussedness, his alpha-dog behavior toward the media. That same behavior toward his colleagues did not seem to bother the president. To Bush, rivalry was healthy, and the full extent of Rumsfeld’s conduct was not known to him for the simple reason, say aides, that they did not wish to trouble the leader of the Free World every time Rumsfeld jerked them around.

But when the Abu Ghraib scandal broke in the spring of 2004, Bush was upset that the Pentagon had not shared the damning photos with him before 60 Minutes II aired them. He called Rumsfeld on the Oval Office carpet, an incident that the White House leaked to The Washington Post to convey the president’s dissatisfaction to the public. Rumsfeld read the story the next morning, May 6, and promptly drafted a letter of resignation. Bush received the letter with bemusement. Ol’ Rummy had called his bluff. The president took no further action.


The picture Draper paints is of highly dysfunctional defense secretary whom Bush couldn't or wouldn't bring into line until he had no choice. The more you see just how out of it the last president was, the more you wonder just exactly what they told the president about torture:

“I certainly, yeah, have every reason to believe he knew...”

The Daily Beast continues the deconstruction of "the man who ruined bush":

Rumsfeld threw truck-size obstacles in the way of deploying troops to New Orleans in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina. Claiming that there’d be problems with “unity of command,” Rumsfeld was adamant that only the National Guard be sent out—but they were slow in arriving and did little to stem the chaos. Bush snapped at him for the disorder in a meeting about the situation: “Rumsfeld, what the hell is going on there? Are you watching what’s on television? Is that the United States of America or some Third World nation I’m watching? What the hell are you doing?” Five days after the hurricane hit, Bush told Rumsfeld he had to deploy troops. “If we had put those troops in on Thursday, the narrative of Katrina would be a very different one,” one senior official said.

I find that Andrew Sullivan has an agenda and is usually loose with facts and contexts. Personally, I find posts like this objectionable. Free speech is great, and I am glad that members feel comfortable posting things that they know for a fact, in advance...will be this controversial. That is a good thing about this forum.
The exchange of ideas is fine as long as it is done without personal attacks.

However, I have lost my taste for this kind of stuff. No offense, but just reading it reminds me of what I disliked about the old bilge. Yep, you have the right to post threads that call anybody a fool that you like.
Those who agree or feel like being antagonized can have my share. I'll pass.

It was nice when we could escape this brand of political stirring for a while.
Maybe some people miss it, and this is a service to them.

Just my opinion, stated without personal attacks.

Have a nice day. :)
 
Btw.... I have appreciated that there has been relative freedom from anti-Obama stuff as well.

Just my 2 cents. You guys enjoy.
 
Basically the anti-O people are too busy working to make up for all they've lost or are losing to him. He and his band of idiots will do enough to bring themselves down, tick tock, tick tock.
 
Nice to see Jay still trying to fight a battle that is over for most though, indicates there are no positive things to say about this administration.....
 
Nice to see Jay still trying to fight a battle that is over for most though, indicates there are no positive things to say about this administration.....

Thanks Ted... not trying to start anything here- but good to see you are still a staunch member of the shrinking party of no. As John said, I too, got burnt out on all the acrimony in the bilge wars during the election and am happy to leave all that stuff behind.

My larger point about posting that info was actually to defend bush (just a little- very little). He became a victim of his own system and style. Had he been told some of the facts, we might be in a very different place today.
 
The exchange of ideas is fine as long as it is done without personal attacks.

Maybe some people miss it, and this is a service to them.

I miss the discussions. I hate the personal attacks. I have learned many things in some of those discussions. Some good, some bad. But still learned.

Just like this article was interesting. Now I'm curious to see if there is any substantiation of the story over the next few weeks.
 
I miss the discussions. I hate the personal attacks. I have learned many things in some of those discussions. Some good, some bad. But still learned.

Just like this article was interesting. Now I'm curious to see if there is any substantiation of the story over the next few weeks.

I don't know what to think. I see flip flops but no beach.
Maybe Armageddon is at hand.
Cats are lying with Alpha-Dogs and my Slappy Pappy was over yesterday helping me with an Apache. :D
 
I have long asserted Bush was an unwitting and unknowing puppet half the time...the other 1/2 he willingly asked the puppet masters for advice..
 
The discussion I want to start, but probably don't dare. Didn't we just use tax dollars, in an unguaranteed loan/gift, to give an American Corporation (Chrysler) to a foreign company??????:ack2: For zero investment dollars??????

I still can't believe it......:boxing_smiley:
 
Well it is quite possible thet the earth has turned on it's axis because I agreed with O this morning on his abortion comments and twice in one day I have seen Jay's point of view and understood it (I think the Lake Cumberland banner was a raw deal Jay, hope you get it worked out) and I know that no Pres ever gets all the info he should and depends on too many others to do the right thing. No seemed to work for the Dems for 8 years Jay, maybe the Reps have finally realized that it's easier to just complain rather than lead, I know O has :D
 
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