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high-tide
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Buck. I have just acquired one in the last month. I hate it. maybe because my PC is comfortable. I do not find it user friendly at all. I will stick with it for a while. Maybe I am just old and change does not work for me as I have to move back and forth between 2 operating systems and nothing is the same....
High-Tide
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rbhudelson
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first you have to understand that those with an interest in personal computers are no different than those of us that have an interest in important things like power boating. Some like MTI, some like Skater, some think Cats are the best and others will fight you over the V reigning supreme.
I'm no different. I use a Mac and have for about almost 6 years. I finally got tired of dealing with the viruses and worms. I would spend several hours a week fixing my kids and wife's PC. When I originally bought my first mac I was looking for a linux desktop. Apple's OS X is a Unix operating system with the Mac User interface running on top. Unix has been around since the '60s and is very resilient in terms of stability, virus/worm defenses and available applications.
That laptop I bought 6 years ago is still in service. My son uses it in college and it runs faster today than it did 6 years ago. Try that with a 6 year old pc. As it stands today, there are still no known viruses/worms for the Mac. Everyone is still waiting and maybe one of these days it will happen but until then, I enjoy not having to putz with updating virus software every other week and my machine does not slow down overtime because of all the malware windows picks up surfing the web.
If you do not like the Mac User Interface it is because you are trying to use it like Windows has forced you to interact with a computer all these years. It took me about 2 months before I really started getting comfortable with the Mac.
Our firm's management software is a windows only system. I have VMWare installed and when I need to use that software I bring it up under OS X. So I have both Operating Systems running at the same time. Fortunately, I don't have to use it much because I typically go to cussing after about 10 minutes of having to do stupid stuff with windows.
My recommendation to everyone, that I don't compete with, is that unless you have a competent IT department to manage your windows machine(s) then buy a Mac. You will be much happier in the long run.
But if you don't like Apple or you like putzing around with computers then by all means - stick with windows. I highly recommend to all my competitors to stick with Windows - until the bloody end.:26:
brad
That myth has been disproven many years ago, just google it. Would-be hackers don't put the time and effort into creating viruses for the Mac OS because of the much smaller market share, especially in the business arena, the "reward" is proportionatly smaller when compared to PCs.
I'm curious, how does a computer get faster with age?
RPM
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I was just curious, as I said I've never used one and have heard mixed reviews which has kept me from purchasing one myself. You make a pretty strong case though.. I have spent alot of $$$ in down time due to viruses and other problems. Are the macs easier to navigate or faster performance wise?
Fever Mike
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I moved from a Mac 3 years ago and willll be moving backand getting an iMac in the next month.
rbhudelson
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Ok, lets go with that logic. Macs have approximately 8% market share so where are 8% of the virus/worms for the Mac? You are correct in one thing; they don't put the time and effort into creating the virus/worms but not because of market share, it is because the platform is much more secure than Windows. The only thing that really works on the Mac is Malware. You have to trick the user into installing something. here is a good non-technical article about why the FBI and Department of Homeland Security made the switch. http://db.tidbits.com/article/7616
A computer can get faster with age when the Operating System gets tighter. Mac OS X is faster today than it was 6 years ago so the same computer (appears) faster.
Macs are much easier to navigate but you have to forget how windows makes you interact with the machine.
I haven't seen any user speed test results to be able to answer the question on which platform is faster. To me, it doesn't matter.
Nowhere did I say the Mac OS is not harder to infect than a PC, it is harder and I won't argue that. I was just correcting your statement of "there are no known viruses for a Mac" because that is not true.
As far as your logic, try this. If you were creating a product would you aim for it to appeal to 8% of the market share or almost twelve times that? I believe that if the market shares' were reversed viruses for Macs would be common.
Please don't interpret anything I say as me being anti-Mac because I'm not. They are great machines, but some of the things that make them great are also the reasons they have limited have market share.
One reason is that Apple, through proprietary rights, limits the upgrade options of a given platform. This dramatically reduces the variables the OS has to be designed to operate under and there much fewer problems as a result. On the flip side this lack of scalability limits a Mac’s appeal to businesses who want a system that can grow with their business needs. This also closed off an entire market segment that likes to build and tinker with their computers.
Macs are generally twice as much or more than a comparable PC so the argument can be made "you get what you pay for".
As far as your logic, try this. If you were creating a product would you aim for it to appeal to 8% of the market share or almost twelve times that? I believe that if the market shares' were reversed viruses for Macs would be common.
Please don't interpret anything I say as me being anti-Mac because I'm not. They are great machines, but some of the things that make them great are also the reasons they have limited have market share.
One reason is that Apple, through proprietary rights, limits the upgrade options of a given platform. This dramatically reduces the variables the OS has to be designed to operate under and there much fewer problems as a result. On the flip side this lack of scalability limits a Mac’s appeal to businesses who want a system that can grow with their business needs. This also closed off an entire market segment that likes to build and tinker with their computers.
Macs are generally twice as much or more than a comparable PC so the argument can be made "you get what you pay for".
It all depends on what you are doing. Try and do a Server back up with a Mac for multiple computers. Oh my god. In the time it took them to figure out how to do it at Apple I could have installed a PC based unit and had it up and running. Then the cost came in. I could do it for 1/3 of thier price with a PC. Also if you Mac does break good luck getting it fixed. Their repairs from what I have seen with my customers sucks. Pc breaks just find the part and you can more then likely fix it with off the shelf stuff from your local PC outlet. If you just want to hump around on a computer with the internet and so on like 98% of the people out there do then they are both fine. The PC I am on now is 5 years old and I have it on job sites, bouncing around in my car.... every day.
What is going to be interesting is Windows 7. If it comes out like they are talking then it could be the death blow to Apple. Of course Apple will always have their supporters but it could seriously hurt them.
What is going to be interesting is Windows 7. If it comes out like they are talking then it could be the death blow to Apple. Of course Apple will always have their supporters but it could seriously hurt them.
MacGyver
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Apple probably makes more money on the iPhone, iPod and iAccessories then they do on their computers anyway.
rbhudelson
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As far as your logic, try this. If you were creating a product would you aim for it to appeal to 8% of the market share or almost twelve times that? I believe that if the market shares' were reversed viruses for Macs would be common.
One reason is that Apple, through proprietary rights, limits the upgrade options of a given platform. This dramatically reduces the variables the OS has to be designed to operate under and there much fewer problems as a result. On the flip side this lack of scalability limits a Mac’s appeal to businesses who want a system that can grow with their business needs. This also closed off an entire market segment that likes to build and tinker with their computers.
Macs are generally twice as much or more than a comparable PC so the argument can be made "you get what you pay for".
The reason why Macs are more secure is technological, not market based. Do you really believe that a hacker wouldn't kill to be the first with a successful virus for the Mac?
Again, as I stated in my original post - it is a religious issue. But the fact that you can't figure out a backup solution for Macs is more of an indictment of you than the available technology. There are numerous options available.
Look, if I derived income from selling services to fix computers I would love Microsoft. But unlike you, I don't. I'm not sure why you believe Windows 7 will be any different than any of the other releases they have ever had.
I don't share your experience of Apple's repair system. Follow this link and you will find that not many others do either. http://www.theacsi.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=149&Itemid=157&c=Apple+Inc. then goto the following to view Microsofts. http://www.theacsi.org/index.php?op...iew&id=149&Itemid=157&c=Microsoft+Corporation
At the end of the day I really don't care what you use. I just try to give the benefit of my experiences with both platforms. At one time I said grace over 125,000 desktops and 15,000 servers in 200 countries. So I know the support issues of security and software distribution with windows. After that, I ran Dell's desktop and server engineering teams in Austin. But, now that I don't have a bunch of really bright engineers to support my machines - I use a Mac.
buck
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Sorry if I caused some tension with the topic. I can assure you that wasn't my intent.
I see people post threads about their new puter all the time and thought I would throw it out there for some quick banter.
Here's my view on the topic from a strictly layman point of view. Keep in mind, I have zero technical experience to back up my outlook. It's just an opinion based on what I know, and that's not much.
There's one cord to plug in on this thing and it's done.
The set up time was unbelievably short. It did everything for me. Even found my Wifi without having to jump through hoops to make it work.
The simplicity of the unit and clarity of the screen are top notch. Far beyond what I expected or have ever experience.
I was warned that there would be a learning curve when I got it. I expected that much. Hasn't been too bad from an idiot's point of view. But then again I couldn't navigate windows the first time I used it either. So far I feel pretty comfortable with it.
As for price, it's all relative to me. (kinda like my sister) This unit was the base unit from Mac. I could have easily purchased a PC with about the same memory and speed for a few hundred less. However this unit already came with some pretty nice picture editing software, video software, and audio software that I would have had to upgrade on the PC. Price would have been pretty much the same by the time I got what I wanted.
My laptop has to be doctored on about every 3-6 months. It gets so slow I can't stand it. Fortunately I have a good friend and neighbor who is an IT guy for a local corporation that takes care of this for me. If it weren't for that I would be out some money on a frequent basis to maintain this thing. I do admit if I had an ounce of knowledge on how to maintain the PC on my own that it wouldn't make a difference. Maybe this new Mac will be the same way in six months? Time will tell.
I can run audio through my home's sound system with this thing as it sits. It comes with a handy remote that makes that process even more convenient. Not to mention I can use my iPhone to run it also. Not a deal breaker, but cool either way you look at it. I'm sure I could buy some hardware and software to make my PC to do the same thing if I really wanted to.
Bottom line, I'm not smart enough to argue the technical advantages or disadvantages of either one. From a layman point of view I just think this thing is damn cool. It's a frickin piece of art just to look at.
I'm gonna go play with my new computer and enjoy the hell out of it while you guys argue over chit I don't understand.
Buck
I see people post threads about their new puter all the time and thought I would throw it out there for some quick banter.
Here's my view on the topic from a strictly layman point of view. Keep in mind, I have zero technical experience to back up my outlook. It's just an opinion based on what I know, and that's not much.
There's one cord to plug in on this thing and it's done.
The set up time was unbelievably short. It did everything for me. Even found my Wifi without having to jump through hoops to make it work.
The simplicity of the unit and clarity of the screen are top notch. Far beyond what I expected or have ever experience.
I was warned that there would be a learning curve when I got it. I expected that much. Hasn't been too bad from an idiot's point of view. But then again I couldn't navigate windows the first time I used it either. So far I feel pretty comfortable with it.
As for price, it's all relative to me. (kinda like my sister) This unit was the base unit from Mac. I could have easily purchased a PC with about the same memory and speed for a few hundred less. However this unit already came with some pretty nice picture editing software, video software, and audio software that I would have had to upgrade on the PC. Price would have been pretty much the same by the time I got what I wanted.
My laptop has to be doctored on about every 3-6 months. It gets so slow I can't stand it. Fortunately I have a good friend and neighbor who is an IT guy for a local corporation that takes care of this for me. If it weren't for that I would be out some money on a frequent basis to maintain this thing. I do admit if I had an ounce of knowledge on how to maintain the PC on my own that it wouldn't make a difference. Maybe this new Mac will be the same way in six months? Time will tell.
I can run audio through my home's sound system with this thing as it sits. It comes with a handy remote that makes that process even more convenient. Not to mention I can use my iPhone to run it also. Not a deal breaker, but cool either way you look at it. I'm sure I could buy some hardware and software to make my PC to do the same thing if I really wanted to.
Bottom line, I'm not smart enough to argue the technical advantages or disadvantages of either one. From a layman point of view I just think this thing is damn cool. It's a frickin piece of art just to look at.
I'm gonna go play with my new computer and enjoy the hell out of it while you guys argue over chit I don't understand.
Buck
MarylandMark
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rbhudelson - Thanks for your insight!
I am a PC guy since I know my way around them and have to use one for work. I'd love to get a MAC but can't bring myself to do it until work, mf GF, my brother, friends, etc do since they always call me as tech support kind of like Buck is saying about his neighbor.
My Pops started with a MAC and since that is what he was trained on and all he knows he would never PC and from what I've seen they are pretty awesome machines.
I am a PC guy since I know my way around them and have to use one for work. I'd love to get a MAC but can't bring myself to do it until work, mf GF, my brother, friends, etc do since they always call me as tech support kind of like Buck is saying about his neighbor.
My Pops started with a MAC and since that is what he was trained on and all he knows he would never PC and from what I've seen they are pretty awesome machines.
high-tide
Charter Member
Buck. I am still working with it. I have a great apple guy trying to make me more confortable. I can use it but when it comes to work I move to my PC. Who knows, time might change things. I was at least open enough to it's merits to acquire one. no harm, no foul with me.
High-Tide
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Madpoodle
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I've been on Macs since the days of the Mac+.. Rock solid, in all those years I have only screwed one up enough to actually have to do some troubleshooting and repairs to it once.. Had to reload the current OS at the time, lost NOTHING in the process..
As far as winders7, my laptop had vista. With all the pissing and moaning I hear about that (which IMO is equal to Mac circa 1998) I can't wait to see what joyous new security threats and un-ease of use winders 7 brings..
As far as winders7, my laptop had vista. With all the pissing and moaning I hear about that (which IMO is equal to Mac circa 1998) I can't wait to see what joyous new security threats and un-ease of use winders 7 brings..
Here's a couple articles for anyone who thinks a Mac is impervious to hackers.
http://www.macworld.com/article/132733/2008/03/hack.html
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2006/08/hijacking_a_macbook_in_60_seco.html
http://www.macworld.com/article/132733/2008/03/hack.html
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2006/08/hijacking_a_macbook_in_60_seco.html
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