Health Care and Congress - A Bit of Recent History

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Steve Benen over at Washington Monthly provides us with a little history lesson. Sure would be nice if some the sh!t-flinging howler monkeys would take a minute to think about all the fiscally reckless things that were pulled by the last administration before they start with the screaming. :ack2:

THE RECORD SOME WOULD PREFER TO FORGET.... Just six years ago, congressional Republicans approved a major expansion of the government's role over health care, adding a massive amount of money to the national debt in its first decade.

The AP's Charles Babington reports that most GOP officials no longer want to talk about their own record.

Six years ago, "it was standard practice not to pay for things," said Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah. "We were concerned about it, because it certainly added to the deficit, no question." His 2003 vote has been vindicated, Hatch said, because the prescription drug benefit "has done a lot of good."

Sen. George Voinovich, R-Ohio, said those who see hypocrisy "can legitimately raise that issue." But he defended his positions in 2003 and now, saying the economy is in worse shape and Americans are more anxious.

Sen. Olympia Snowe, R-Maine, said simply: "Dredging up history is not the way to move forward."

Seriously? Is that how we're going to play this game?

Snowe's quote is hard to take seriously -- as if her own record isn't relevant right now -- but it's Hatch's quote that's especially ridiculous. For Republicans, supporting huge new programs without figuring out how to pay for them "was standard practice." Six years later, this is justifiable, just so long as the huge new programs do "a lot of good."

Just so we're clear, according to the rules, Republicans don't have to pay for their programs, and Democrats do. Republicans can build up massive debts, and Democrats can't.

Let's cut the nonsense. Republicans supported Medicare Part D (Karl Rove saw it as a way of creating a "permanent" GOP majority). It was the biggest expansion of government into the health care industry since Medicare. By any reasonable measure, it was a huge giveaway to private industries, and came with a price tag of at least $1 trillion -- far more than this year's Democratic health care reform plan. It was "complicated as hell," and left a huge doughnut hole that screwed over millions of seniors. It included end-of-life counseling, which Republicans now consider "death panels." The Republican bill, which passed under almost comically corrupt circumstances, was financed entirely -- literally, 100% -- through deficit spending, leaving future generations to pick up the tab.

And what do these exact same Republican lawmakers say now? That the Democratic reform plan increases government's role in health care (check), costs too much (check), is too complicated (check), and passed under suspicious circumstances (check). Oh, and don't "dredge up history" that GOP finds embarrassing.

Republicans simply aren't serious about health care policy. Anyone who suggests the Democratic bill should have been "bipartisan" need only to be reminded of what transpired six short years ago.
 
And, in case you didn't click on the link, here's the article referred to by the 'comically corrupt circumstances' phrase in the first article.

TRENT FRANKS' SHORT MEMORY.... Six years ago this month, the floor of the U.S. House was the scene to one of the more embarrassing moments in the history of the institution. It was when the Republican majority brought Medicare Part D up for a vote.

GOP lawmakers saw Medicare's long-term finances as a problem, and decided to make matters worse with a new drug benefit. Every penny of the program -- which costs hundreds of billions of dollars -- was simply thrown onto the deficit, and Republicans were deliberately lied to about the cost (the Bush administration literally threatened officials who considered telling Congress the true price tag).

When the vote was scheduled, the bill was defeated -- so GOP leaders kept the vote open for hours, bribing members to change their minds. Humiliated, Republicans demanded that the C-SPAN cameras be turned off, so Americans couldn't watch the soul-crushing antics.

Bruce Bartlett reflects on this today, calling it "one of the most extraordinary events in congressional history." Of particular interest is Rep. Trent Franks of Arizona, one of just three Republicans who were convinced to switch their votes, from Nay to Aye.

Like all Republicans, [Franks] has vowed to fight [health care reform] with every ounce of strength he has, citing the increase in debt as his principal concern. "I would remind my Democratic colleagues that their children, and every generation thereafter, will bear the burden caused by this bill. They will be the ones asked to pay off the incredible debt," Franks declared on Nov. 7.

Just to be clear, the Medicare drug benefit was a pure giveaway with a gross cost greater than either the House or Senate health reform bills how being considered. Together the new bills would cost roughly $900 billion over the next 10 years, while Medicare Part D will cost $1 trillion.

Moreover, there is a critical distinction -- the drug benefit had no dedicated financing, no offsets and no revenue-raisers; 100% of the cost simply added to the federal budget deficit, whereas the health reform measures now being debated will be paid for with a combination of spending cuts and tax increases, adding nothing to the deficit over the next 10 years, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

Maybe Franks isn't the worst hypocrite I've ever come across in Washington, but he's got to be in the top 10 because he apparently thinks the unfunded drug benefit, which added $15.5 trillion (in present value terms) to our nation's indebtedness, according to Medicare's trustees, was worth sacrificing his integrity to enact into law. But legislation expanding health coverage to the uninsured -- which is deficit-neutral -- somehow or other adds an unacceptable debt burden to future generations. We truly live in a world only George Orwell could comprehend when our elected representatives so easily conflate one with the other.



It's easy to forget -- some of us would like to block the memories from our minds -- but the Republican majority in Congress from 2003 through 2006 was so comically awful, it made many reasonable observers question whether the American experiment was really a good idea. The vote on Part D was a genuine embarrassment to the institution.

With that in mind, seeing Franks whine now, after having switched his vote six years ago, is a reminder of the ridiculous amount of chutzpah some of these members have. Just shameless.
 
You're right. The last administration sucked. It sucked because it grew the government at a unsustainable rate and the Rx meds program was a huge part of that fiasco.

So we fix it by growing the government even more? This is a perfect example why career politicians of both parties are ruination of this country.

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You're right. The last administration sucked. It sucked because it grew the government at a unsustainable rate and the Rx meds program was a huge part of that fiasco.

So we fix it by growing the government even more? This is a perfect example why career politicians of both parties are ruination of this country.

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+1 :mad:

Most of "us" think that the Bush presidency was one of the worst in history. In my opinion, it was the worst in my lifetime. The corruption that occurred with 8 years of Clinton, plus 8 years of Bush, has allowed the current elected officials to believe that they can get away with anything! And, they may be right. :(

Jay, you will never change the thinking of some people here. The rest of us just look at what is currently happening in DC, and we are shocked and afraid. :willy_nilly:
 
You're right. The last administration sucked. It sucked because it grew the government at a unsustainable rate and the Rx meds program was a huge part of that fiasco.

So we fix it by growing the government even more? This is a perfect example why career politicians of both parties are ruination of this country.

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x2 im tired of hearing about how bad the prev admin was, imho all government is bad, the less they do the better we all are. corruption is rampant on both sides, we need to clean house, not give them more power, money, control.
 
Just so we have all the facts, here is the original article that Jay's blogger references:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091225/ap_on_bi_ge/us_health_care_deficit

The numbers we are talking about from the article:

The 2010 deficit is expected to reach $1.5 trillion, and the accumulated federal debt now exceeds $12 trillion. When the Republican-led Congress passed the Medicare expansion in 2003, the deficit was $374 billion, and was projected to hit $525 billion the following year, in part because of the new prescription drug benefit for seniors.


So we have THREE times the deficit now and will expand it by roughly THREE more times by going forward with this new plan that will give more money to the insurance companies and still leave millions without healthcare. But we are supposed to allow the Dems to do it now, because the Reps did it on a much smaller scale before. Mmmmmm, no it still is sucky legislation regardless.:seeya:
 
Unfortunately the system in place to measure how a politician is doing is by how much money they bring back to their voters, but is really how much they spend.
 
Here enough of this!!

President Barack Obama has repeatedly claimed that his budget would cut the deficit by half by the end of his term. But as Heritage analyst Brian Riedl has pointed out, given that Obama has already helped quadruple the deficit with his stimulus package, pledging to halve it by 2013 is hardly ambitious. The Washington Post has a great graphic which helps put President Obama’s budget deficits in context of President Bush’s.

 
ROFLMAO


"Sen. Olympia Snowe,( RAT Maine), said simply: "Dredging up history is not the way to move forward."

Fixed it!
 
They keep saying the healthcare system is broken but it is the political system that is truly broken. :(

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We need to be where we were in 00' and 01' in all but the absolutely worst of times, and only then run a deficit for the shortest possible time.

I fear the tab coming due on the true cost of medicaid, medicare and social security. some estimates put that in excess of 50 trillion :eek:

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We need to be where we were in 00' and 01' in all but the absolutely worst of times, and only then run a deficit for the shortest possible time.

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We were at War and that cost money ,Bush for all his failings was a 1000 times the War President Surrender Gore would have been.

2006 when the Rats got the house and the Retards started running things that the country got hurt.
 
Steve, you hated makes it unpleasent to read your posts. I'm sure you have logical reasons for your opinions, but please keep the "Surrender Gore", "Rats", "Retards" and "Zippy" to a minimum. It just makes you look like a zealot. :(
 
Yes, Steve. We know that the Democrats are bad. But, many of us believe that the Republicans are just as bad. Neither party has the answers. We need real change to save our country. :(
 
Steve, you hated makes it unpleasent to read your posts. I'm sure you have logical reasons for your opinions, but please keep the "Surrender Gore", "Rats", "Retards" and "Zippy" to a minimum. It just makes you look like a zealot. :(


I have no respect for Democrats they are aligned with the communists and all enemies of America, Zealot OK Make that American ,Retards Look at Nancy Pelosi Harry Reid and that bunch of nitwits running the house.Look at this Rep She should not own a Canary

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=niJAkR_6tKQ That's sanity??
 
Yes, Steve. We know that the Democrats are bad. But, many of us believe that the Republicans are just as bad. Neither party has the answers. We need real change to save our country. :(

First separate Republicans from the RINOS Example in 2008 there were Only 31 Republican Reps headed by Michele Bachmann And 1 Republican Senator Demint that is by conservative voting records. The rest who cares you either stand by the Constitution or you do not! We are working on correcting that NOW.
 
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