Why are Apache's so great?

For all you guys who think that Saccenti is the be all and end allof high performance, let me share a little story with you...

About two weeks ago I was in Florida and I stopped by the marina that has TNT and Lip Ship etc. I find Bobby on a big 40 foot plus twin engine boat with a TNT mechanic on board doing the final tune up.

Bob says to me, let's take this out for a trial and see if we still remember how to do this stuff. I said sure why not. So, out we go, idling down the canals remembering the great old days when we both had hair to blow in the breezes of South Florida.

Anyway we clear the canal and Bobby spots Phil Lip Ship just coming in with a 39 Top Gun. This could be a great race, jumping off big waves as we clear Haulover. Phil must have seen us and knew what we had in hand, so he turns away and goes up another canal.

Bobby and I are now arguing over who is going to drive and who is going to throttle and we finally work out a compromise. I have the wheel and he pushes the throttles up and we feel the boat strain a bit to finally break free. The tachs begin to climb and the water starts rushing by the side of the boat. Just when we think everything is going to break open and we will be off in a rush, one tach begins to fade and then starts to drop.

Naturally in a case like this, as a driver, I always blamed the throttleman for letting us get behind the competiton....but in this case, I realized that we had a major malfunction with one of the engines, so we headed back to the marina before we blew something up.

Bobby told me a few days later that the problem had been solved and the boat was running great....he had it out and ran it wide open for a while and reached about 29 MPH.

Oh yeah, I did mention that it was a big 40 foot plus Cruiser didn't I? .......With straight inboard shafts and bronze props.
 
For all you guys who think that Saccenti is the be all and end allof high performance, let me share a little story with you...

About two weeks ago I was in Florida and I stopped by the marina that has TNT and Lip Ship etc. I find Bobby on a big 40 foot plus twin engine boat with a TNT mechanic on board doing the final tune up.

Bob says to me, let's take this out for a trial and see if we still remember how to do this stuff. I said sure why not. So, out we go, idling down the canals remembering the great old days when we both had hair to blow in the breezes of South Florida.

Anyway we clear the canal and Bobby spots Phil Lip Ship just coming in with a 39 Top Gun. This could be a great race, jumping off big waves as we clear Haulover. Phil must have seen us and knew what we had in hand, so he turns away and goes up another canal.

Bobby and I are now arguing over who is going to drive and who is going to throttle and we finally work out a compromise. I have the wheel and he pushes the throttles up and we feel the boat strain a bit to finally break free. The tachs begin to climb and the water starts rushing by the side of the boat. Just when we think everything is going to break open and we will be off in a rush, one tach begins to fade and then starts to drop.

Naturally in a case like this, as a driver, I always blamed the throttleman for letting us get behind the competiton....but in this case, I realized that we had a major malfunction with one of the engines, so we headed back to the marina before we blew something up.

Bobby told me a few days later that the problem had been solved and the boat was running great....he had it out and ran it wide open for a while and reached about 29 MPH.

Oh yeah, I did mention that it was a big 40 foot plus Cruiser didn't I? .......With straight inboard shafts and bronze props.

That's a great story!!!
 
Anyway we clear the canal and Bobby spots Phil Lip Ship just coming in with a 39 Top Gun. This could be a great race, jumping off big waves as we clear Haulover. Phil must have seen us and knew what we had in hand, so he turns away and goes up another canal.

Bobby and I are now arguing over who is going to drive and who is going to throttle and we finally work out a compromise. I have the wheel and he pushes the throttles up and we feel the boat strain a bit to finally break free. The tachs begin to climb and the water starts rushing by the side of the boat. Just when we think everything is going to break open and we will be off in a rush, one tach begins to fade and then starts to drop.



Oh yeah, I did mention that it was a big 40 foot plus Cruiser didn't I? .......With straight inboard shafts and bronze props.

That was A great story Charlie!!!!! WOW!!!:rofl::rofl:

THANKS!!

Mange:)
 
Hi Chris maybe this will help..

It started out as the 35’ Cigarette race boats designed by Don Aronow in 1972. The first two boats out of the new mold went to Bob Nordskog founder of Powerboat Magazine and Carl Kiekhaefer. After that the 35’ went into production, today known as the Café-Racer..

Next; In the late seventies Don lengthened the 35’ to 37 ½’ . I rigged and raced the first one for Jerry Jacoby Ajachawk #17. Today it is in production as the 38 Top Gun..

Nest; Don once again lengthened the 37 ½ to 41’ This time he used the mold to create the USA Racing Team Catamarans. By dividing the 41’ hull at the keel and putting a wing in between the divided hulls this created a cameraman that Don sold to the Government as DEA / Customs offshore interceptors. After Don finished his project, Apache Powerboats purchased the 41’ mold..
Thanks Bob! I knew I had/have the ORIGINAL!

Very nice to know and to hear it from the mouth of one of the originals as well! :sifone:
 
Thanks Bob! I knew I had/have the ORIGINAL!

Very nice to know and to hear it from the mouth of one of the originals as well! :sifone:

HA! I spoke to Ritchie Powers today and I stand corrected.. The second original 35’ Cigarette race boat was the Dry Martini..
 
For all you guys who think that Saccenti is the be all and end allof high performance, let me share a little story with you...

About two weeks ago I was in Florida and I stopped by the marina that has TNT and Lip Ship etc. I find Bobby on a big 40 foot plus twin engine boat with a TNT mechanic on board doing the final tune up.

Bob says to me, let's take this out for a trial and see if we still remember how to do this stuff. I said sure why not. So, out we go, idling down the canals remembering the great old days when we both had hair to blow in the breezes of South Florida.

Anyway we clear the canal and Bobby spots Phil Lip Ship just coming in with a 39 Top Gun. This could be a great race, jumping off big waves as we clear Haulover. Phil must have seen us and knew what we had in hand, so he turns away and goes up another canal.

Bobby and I are now arguing over who is going to drive and who is going to throttle and we finally work out a compromise. I have the wheel and he pushes the throttles up and we feel the boat strain a bit to finally break free. The tachs begin to climb and the water starts rushing by the side of the boat. Just when we think everything is going to break open and we will be off in a rush, one tach begins to fade and then starts to drop.

Naturally in a case like this, as a driver, I always blamed the throttleman for letting us get behind the competiton....but in this case, I realized that we had a major malfunction with one of the engines, so we headed back to the marina before we blew something up.

Bobby told me a few days later that the problem had been solved and the boat was running great....he had it out and ran it wide open for a while and reached about 29 MPH.

Oh yeah, I did mention that it was a big 40 foot plus Cruiser didn't I? .......With straight inboard shafts and bronze props.

OK Charley, we are now race ready.. I tweaked the engines up , now we are doing a smoking WOT 32 mph Make sure you have your race Jacket and Helmet for the next run on Sunday..
 
Thanks for the clarification, Bob.

How did the 39 Competition fit in? The stories I had always heard were that the 39 suffered from some ill handling effects and that the 37-7 was an effort to solve that.

And since we have you, how did the 39 Squadron fit in? Alot assume it's the same basic hull as the 38, but I recall the strakes being somewhat larger.

The only 39’ boats that Aronow built was the Squadron 12 in the late seventies. If memory serves me right, the 39’ was actually a 37 ½ Cig with wider strakes The first one I rigged and raced was red and named APACHE.. The second one I rigged and raced was named Fast Company.. The difference in the wider 3/8” strakes made the boat a little faster, but rode a lot harder..
 
The only 39’ boats that Aronow built was the Squadron 12 in the late seventies. If memory serves me right, the 39’ was actually a 37 ½ Cig with wider strakes The first one I rigged and raced was red and named APACHE.. The second one I rigged and raced was named Fast Company.. The difference in the wider 3/8” strakes made the boat a little faster, but rode a lot harder..

What about the 39 Competition? The one with the dog-legged rubrail in the back? Battie raced the one- Coors Light if I remember. Nordskog had one too- the CAM boat that he replaced with the Scarab.
 
Hello Bobby and Charley..
Good to have you guys here.

This question is not about he Apache's.. I love them.. and the cigs.. but there is an issue with the $ part. :).. So I'm being a thread thief for a minute...
I got this Avanti.,... I did some research on the hull and it seems to be a modified "coyote- Beep-Beep" hull.
Any one you have any history on the Avanti hulls? Some of the history on the Avanti hulls going back to Arronow.

I would be interested to find out the real scoop.
 
Hello Bobby and Charlie..
Good to have you guys here.

This question is not about he Apache's.. I love them.. and the cigs.. but there is an issue with the $ part. :)
I got this Avanti.,... I did some research on the hull and it seems to be a modified "coyote- Beep-Beep" hull.
Any one you have any history on the Avanti hulls? Some of the history on the Avanti hulls going back to Arronow.

I would be interested to find out the real scoop.

If I am not complete wrong the Coyote's had roots from Charlie's Top Banana
designed by Jean Claude Simon?:blush5:


:)

Mange
 
I gotta tell you. When these boats were built some 20 years ago they were so far above anything else on the planet that by todays standards they still stand alone. An icon, a stand alone, a benchmark. So far advanced, it is scary even by todays standards. The wholly grail of V bottoms. My opinion. Hey for you MM..............................
High-Tide
 
Bobby,
Great to see you on here! You remember this pop rock?
 

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If I am not complete wrong the Coyote's had roots from Charlie's Top Banana
designed by Jean Claude Simon?:blush5:

:)
Mange

What I did found.. you are correct.. I'm not sure on this,, thus my question to the "Icons".. but I think JCS designed the deck. There is some history going to the Banana's, but it's sketchy at best.. I would love to know the exact history of this thing. I love it.. it goes through anythnig.. :sifone:
 
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