I can't believe what I'm watching

I just got this in an email. Probably BS but maybe not.

Senator Bayh,

As a practicing physician I have major concerns with the health care bill before Congress. I actually have read the bill and am shocked by the brazenness of the government's proposed involvement in the patient-physician relationship. The very idea that the government will dictate and ration patient care is dangerous and certainly not helpful in designing a health care system that works for all. Every physician I work with agrees that we need to fix our health care system, but the proposed bills currently making their way through congress will be a disaster if passed.

I ask you respectfully and as a patriotic American to look at the following troubling lines that I have read in the bill. You cannot possibly believe that these proposals are in the best interests of the country and our fellow citizens.

Page 22 of the HC Bill: Mandates that the Govt will audit books of all employers that self-insure!!

Page 30 Sec 123 of HC bill: THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides what treatments/benefits you get.

Page 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill: YOUR HEALTH CARE IS RATIONED!!!

Page 42 of HC Bill: The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC benefits for you. You have no choice!

Page 50 Section 152 in HC bill: HC will be provided to ALL non-US citizens, illegal or otherwise.

Page 58 HC Bill: Govt will have real-time access to individuals' finances & a 'National ID Health card' will be issued! (Papers please!)

Page 59 HC Bill lines 21-24: Govt will have direct access to your bank accounts for elective funds transfer. (Time for more cash and carry)

Page 65 Sec 164: Is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their families in unions & community organizations: (ACORN).

Page 84 Sec 203 HC bill: Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC plans in the 'Exchange.'

Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans -- The Govt will ration your health care!

Page 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill: Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services. (Translation: illegal aliens.)

Page 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18: The Govt will use groups (i.e. ACORN & Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan.

Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill: Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans. (AARP members - your health care WILL be rationed!)

Page 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill: Medicaid eligible individuals will be automatically enrolled in Medicaid. (No choice.)

Page 12 4 lines 24-25 HC: No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No "judicial review" against Govt monopoly.

Page 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill: Doctors/ American Medical Association - The Govt will tell YOU what salary you can make.

Page 145 Line 15-17: An Employer MUST auto-enroll employees into public option plan. (NO choice!)

Page 126 Lines 22-25: Employers MUST pay for HC for part-time employees ANDtheir families. (Employees shouldn't get excited about this as employers will be forced to reduce its work force, benefits, and wages/salaries to cover such a huge expense.)

Page 149 Lines 16-24: ANY Employer with payroll 401k & above who does not provide public option will pay 8% tax on all payroll! (See the last comment in parenthesis.)

Page 150 Lines 9-13: A business with payroll between $251K & $401K who doesn't provide public option will pay 2-6% tax on all payroll.


Page 167 Lines 18-23: ANY individual who doesn't have acceptable HC according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income.

Page 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill: Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from individual taxes. (Americans will pay.) (Like always)

Page 195 HC Bill: Officers & employees of the GOVT HC Admin.. will have access to ALL Americans' finances and personal records. (I guess so they can 'deduct' their fees)

Page 203 Line 14-15 HC: "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax." (Yes, it really says that!) ( a 'fee' instead)

Page 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill: Govt will reduce physician services for Medicaid Seniors. (Low-income and the poor are affected.)

Page 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill: Doctors: It doesn't matter what specialty you have trained yourself in -- you will all be paid the same! (Just TRY to tell me that's not Socialism!)

Page 253 Line 10-18: The Govt sets the value of a doctor's time, profession, judgment, etc. (Literally-- the value of humans.)

Page 265 Sec 1131: The Govt mandates and controls productivity for "private" HC industries.

Page 268 Sec 1141: The federal Govt regulates the rental and purchase of power driven wheelchairs.

Page 272 SEC. 1145: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer patients - welcome to rationing!

Page 280 Sec 1151: The Govt will penalize hospitals for whatever the Govt deems preventable (i.e...re-admissions).

Page 298 Lines 9-11: Doctors: If you treat a patient during initial admission that results in a re-admission -- the Govt will penalize you.

Page 317 L 13-20: PROHIBITION on ownership/investment. (The Govt tells doctors what and how much they can own!)

Page 317-318 lines 21-25, 1-3: PROHIBITION on expansion. (The Govt is mandating that hospitals cannot expand.)

Page 321 2-13: Hospitals have the opportunity to apply for exception BUT community input is required. (Can you say ACORN?)
Page 335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339: The Govt mandates establishment of=2 outcome-based measures. (HC the way they want -- rationing.)

Page 341 Lines 3-9: The Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Advance Plans, HMOs, etc. (Forcing people into the Govt plan)


Page 354 Sec 1177: The Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of 'special needs people!' Unbelievable!

Page 379 Sec 1191: The Govt creates more bureaucracy via a "Tele-Health Advisory Committee." (Can you say HC by phone?)

Page 425 Lines 4-12: The Govt mandates "Advance-Care Planning Consult." (Think senior citizens end-of-life patients.)

Page 425 Lines 17-19: The Govt will instruct and consult regarding living wills, durable powers of attorney, etc. (And it's mandatory!)

Page 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3: The Govt provides an "approved" list of end-of-life resources; guiding you in death. (Also called 'assisted suicide.')(Sounds like Soylent Green to me.)

Page 427 Lines 15-24: The Govt mandates a program for orders on "end-of-life." (The Govt has a say in how your life ends!)

Page 429 Lines 1-9: An "advanced-care planning consultant" will be used frequently as a patient's health deteriorates.

Page 429 Lines 10-12: An "advanced care consultation" may include an ORDER for end-of-life plans.. (AN ORDER TO DIE FROM THE GOVERNMENT?!?)

Page 429 Lines 13-25: The GOVT will specify which doctors can write an end-of-life order.. (I wouldn't want to stand before God after getting paid for THAT job!)

Page 430 Lines 11-15: The Govt will decide what level of treatment you will have at end-of-life! (Again -- no choice!)

Page 469: Community-Based Home Medical Services = Non-Profit Organizations. (Hello? ACORN Medical Services here!?!)

Page 489 Sec 1308: The Govt will cover marriage and family therapy. (Which means Govt will insert itself into your marriage even.)

Page 494-498: Govt will cover Mental Health Services including defining, creating, and rationing those services.

Senator, I guarantee that I personally will do everything possible to inform patients and my fellow physicians about the dangers of the proposed bills you and your colleagues are debating.

Furthermore, if you vote for a bill that enforces socialized medicine on the country and destroys the doctor-patient relationship, I will do everything in my power to make sure you lose your job in the next election.

Respectfully,

Stephen E. Fraser, MD
 
Total horse sh!t. This came around as a video the other day. I downloaded the bill and looked up page 29. It talks about maximum out of pocket for the insured, not rationed care. Deleted the video after that. Check for yourself.

They figure no one will look anything up. I love how they even give you the page and lines to see they're fully of crap.

This is the bigger problem for politicians. They still dont undertand fact-checking is not a laborious effort. Google and a keyboard will refute most lies and propaganda.
 
You are right Greg. There is no way that that woman needs all of that $$$.


Holy crap bro, I totally thought you were going the male chiavanist Pig route. Was starting to crack up.

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I saw the stack of papers that is the bill. It's pretty big. I find it hard to believe that any one person knows all of what's in it. And I doubt many members of the congress that just voted for it know any more about it that what someone else has told them about it.

And as with most new legislation, there's inevitably going to be the effects of the Law of Unforseen Consequences at play. That means that in actions like this, there will be things that no one though of that are negatively impacted. The bigger the bill, the greater that number of instances.

So...


Based on that, I don't know that I'm prepared to disbelieve anything as of yet.
 
I saw the stack of papers that is the bill. It's pretty big. I find it hard to believe that any one person knows all of what's in it. And I doubt many members of the congress that just voted for it know any more about it that what someone else has told them about it.

And as with most new legislation, there's inevitably going to be the effects of the Law of Unforseen Consequences at play. That means that in actions like this, there will be things that no one though of that are negatively impacted. The bigger the bill, the greater that number of instances.

So...


Based on that, I don't know that I'm prepared to disbelieve anything as of yet.


I agree.............no one person understands it...on the side that voted FOR it or the side that voted AGAINST it.

And its garbage in total if the controls on spending, lawsuits and wastefulness dont go hand in hand with it as it is rolled out to the public.

Despite what side of the fence you are on.


And Steve

I made that comment with respect........cute.....well done:USA:
 
WINSTON-SALEM, N.C. (AP) - The Associated Press says Reynolds American CEO Susan Ivey made $16.2 million last year, about 84 percent more than the previous year as the nation's second-biggest tobacco company struggled with declines in cigarette demand.

Another example of gross corporate greed. No one should get that kind of $, even if the company sales icnreased by 1000 times.

-g

If you were that CEO and you busted your a$$ to acheive the #'s you wouldn't feel that way and you know it. You would smile, take the check, and head straight to Skater or MTI or whatever and buy a boat.

Great double standard and don't try to deny it.
 
No one should get that kind of $, even if the company sales icnreased by 1000 times.

-g

I'm truly interested to know the rationale behind this statement.

They didn't steal the money. They didn't even write the check. These CEO's are highly recruited by the boards of directors of every major American corporation. Their skills are highly sought after. These same boards set their salaries and bonus/benefits packages. If you own shares in this corporation, you voted for the Board that brought this person in. If they don't manage your investment to your liking, you're free to vote in others. Or get your fellow shareholders together and put your own boardmembers in place. or divest yourself of the interest in the company. Beyond that, it's a private business- if you have no financial interest in it, your opinion on what they do is invalid.

Governments interfering in the financial matters of private corporations to the extent of controlling the wages and salaries is textbook Facism.
 
Governments interfering in the financial matters of private corporations to the extent of controlling the wages and salaries is textbook Facism.

From the developments lately looks like our Democratic party is doing a good job of recruiting and selling those very ideals.
 
This is one of my favorites of all time. Every now and then I feel that it's appropriate to post it. Enjoy!!! :sifone::cheers2:



The liberal daughter



Father/Daughter Talk

[...blah, blah, blah...]

The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, 'Welcome to the Republican
party.'

awwwww. That gives me such a warm and fuzzy feeling.

Remind me to thank you personally this weekend. :smash::sifone:
 
From the developments lately looks like our Democratic party is doing a good job of recruiting and selling those very ideals.

I have merely a recreational interest in history and world politics. And even I recognize that the fundamentals that initiatives like these are being based on are time-tested principles that. That all failed miserably.

I fear that once again, someone has to do significant damage to our country before people will wake up and embrace the basic fundamentals that we need to exist by in order to prosper.

This health care legislation is likely the first of a few yet to come. I'm certain they'll be emboldened by their success and they'll attempt to ram some more down out throats before we kick them to the curb in the midterms.
 
I have merely a recreational interest in history and world politics. And even I recognize that the fundamentals that initiatives like these are being based on are time-tested principles that. That all failed miserably.

I fear that once again, someone has to do significant damage to our country before people will wake up and embrace the basic fundamentals that we need to exist by in order to prosper.

This health care legislation is likely the first of a few yet to come. I'm certain they'll be emboldened by their success and they'll attempt to ram some more down out throats before we kick them to the curb in the midterms.



Dont be blaming their offense...blame your own defense.
 
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