Chicago Turns on Obama

[Chris]

I wouldn't under estimate the frustration and disdain for the Government right now. .

No doubt. There were alot of promises made and not much has come through. But all those first-time voters- the one's that delivered the election to Obama- do you actually see them voting for a centrist Republican?

a few years back when the economy was screaming nobody cared;
.

As soon as it gets moving again, everyone will go right back to there comfortable ambivalence. And the guys looking to profit from a career in politics will still be out there making it work.

 

[Tommy Gun]

No doubt. There were alot of promises made and not much has come through. But all those first-time voters- the one's that delivered the election to Obama- do you actually see them voting for a centrist Republican?

As soon as it gets moving again, everyone will go right back to there comfortable ambivalence. And the guys looking to profit from a career in politics will still be out there making it work.

No I don't see them voting for a centrist Republican; I don't see them voting at all. Heck, the way things are going Obama won't be on the ticket.

 

[mikes280]

November 12??? What is that, like yesterday on your clock?

This is a sure sign that he needs to be impeached and then sent back to Kenya.

back to his roots

 

[Chris]

We used to have "swing" voters. Now we have "surge" voters. That group that might come out and vote if some special circumstance moves them. Was it really a one-time fluke? Or can this trick be pulled off twice? Maybe the next one is Hillary's.

 

[Scarab KV]

In reality, only a tiny sliver of the population really cares about what Obama is doing. Employed peoiple for the most part are going about their daily lives. And that's most people.

In that group, you have a very small quantity of people that are truly aware of what's going on. Then there's that chunk that read a couple of headlines and catch 10 minutes of the evening news that add Obama, et al, to their daily list of things to b.itch about that they really don't know much about. Then you have that big group of people that voted for the man expecting him to deliver on the promise of lots of freebies that haven't shown up yet. Bu as sure as the sun coming up in the east tomorrow, they'll be right back voting for the guy from the same party next time- when he's promising them the moon.

I have to disagree with your assessment of who cares. The sliver is a lot larger then you think. I'm in a lot of different environments in different parts of the country during the coarse of the week. From loading docks, the ports, drivers on the radio, coffee counters to the front offices of our distributors, the economy and Obamas politics is the hot topic. I've heard more political discussions in the last year then I did in the previous 20. These issues will not be going away any time soon. The working man (Blue and White) is pi**ed off and no matter how uninformed he is, he's gonna have a good memory next time he votes.
I think Massachusetts is just the beginning.

 

[jayboat]

I personally would have picked the middle one in Post 5.

Comparing the present plight of the American taxpayer to the Holocaust is slightly extreme.

Slightly extreme??? As in kinda dead? That's the one I meant.

The rethugs LOVE to compare dems to Nazis- bleck and o'really do it all the time. It's practically an automatic talking point for them.

 

[Bobcat]

I think even Jay's can of turd polish is running low......:sifone:

 

[cigdaze]

Slightly extreme??? As in kinda dead? That's the one I meant.

The rethugs LOVE to compare dems to Nazis- bleck and o'really do it all the time. It's practically an automatic talking point for them.

You're absolutely right. And it's about as predictable as the presence of the ever-endearing term rethug on our forums.

:sifone:

 

[Chris]

I have to disagree with your assessment of who cares. The sliver is a lot larger then you think. I'm in a lot of different environments in different parts of the country during the coarse of the week. From loading docks, the ports, drivers on the radio, coffee counters to the front offices of our distributors, the economy and Obamas politics is the hot topic. I've heard more political discussions in the last year then I did in the previous 20. These issues will not be going away any time soon. The working man (Blue and White) is pi**ed off and no matter how uninformed he is, he's gonna have a good memory next time he votes.
I think Massachusetts is just the beginning.

I guess by "really cares" I meant people willing to do more than complain and vote.

The issues we're dealing with right now are symptomatic of our system as a whole. Unless significant change occurs, you're going to vote one bum out and his replacement is going to come to you via the very same process that brought that one to you.

 

[Ted]

Slightly extreme??? As in kinda dead? That's the one I meant.

The rethugs LOVE to compare dems to Nazis- bleck and o'really do it all the time. It's practically an automatic talking point for them.

First of all the Nazi thing goes both ways there Jay. On our side we have religious nazis, anti-gay nazis, anti-abortion nazis, anti-drug nazis, etc.


However, if we were to actually look at policy and decide which party is pushing the country towards socialism.....

During the past year we have or have tried to socialize in at least some part:

The banking industry, the auto industry, and healthcare.

I could make a lot of other comparisons like stance on privately owned guns, genetic engineering, etc. but that would just be piling on :bump:

 

[jayboat]

First of all the Nazi thing goes both ways there Jay. On our side we have religious nazis, anti-gay nazis, anti-abortion nazis, anti-drug nazis, etc.


However, if we were to actually look at policy and decide which party is pushing the country towards socialism.....

During the past year we have or have tried to socialize in at least some part:

The banking industry, the auto industry, and healthcare.

I could make a lot of other comparisons like stance on privately owned guns, genetic engineering, etc. but that would just be piling on :bump:

Ted, I'm talking about the non-stop publicly voiced screeching of the faux news bobbleheads. Nazi-comparison is commonplace for them.

When you use 'comparisons' about subjects such as privately owned guns you automatically lose all credibility with me. Sorry. I guess we need those automatic weapons for hunting those terrahist whitetails. And what aspect of genetic engineering are you referring to?

While we're on the subject of biology, let's talk about stem cell research. Your boy dumbya and his disciples opposed it on non fact-based RELIGIOUS principles. In the last year since Obama lifted the bans there have been numerous major breakthroughs. Imagine where we might be if we hadn't been stuck in the religious muck for eight years. :ack2:

Your arguements hold no water, but as always, you seem content to sit smugly in your bubble.

 

[fund razor]

You're absolutely right. And it's about as predictable as the presence of the ever-endearing term rethug on our forums.

:sifone:

And Dumya, and bleck, and oreally....ad nauseum.

I think that it should be "live by the slur, die by the slur."

Change Jay's screen name to Gayboat and lock it.

 

[catastrophe]

Arent we all looking at a perfect example of a problem with the Healthcare/Health Insurance system, right on this board??

Should a perfectly active , taxpaying, self employed businessman on here go without lifesaving/lifeenhancement treatment because he lives in the wrong county??

Thats BS to me.

With regards to the other arguement, I see pro Rep threads started on here 10 to 1.
Most are just goading the few centerists on here and contain little or no factual info.

Its all good fun though

 

[cigdaze]

With regards to the other arguement, I see pro Rep threads started on here 10 to 1.

And why would you suppose that is?

 

[Trim'd Up]

When you use 'comparisons' about subjects such as privately owned guns you automatically lose all credibility with me. Sorry. I guess we need those automatic weapons for hunting those terrahist whitetails. And what aspect of genetic engineering are you referring to?

Your arguements hold no water, but as always, you seem content to sit smugly in your bubble.

Typical anti-gun rambling. What's your definition of an automatic weapon? I don't really see the need, or the demand for fully automatic weapons outside of military use, but I'm sure that's not what your talking about. I do use an "assault weapon" per the anti-guners definition for deer, coyote, ground hogs, praire dogs, and feral hogs on a regular basis. I don't see how a gun being black, having a detachable magazine, or a collapsible stock makes them more dangerous, or less use-able for hunting/target use.

 

[Chris]

Arent we all looking at a perfect example of a problem with the Healthcare/Health Insurance system, right on this board??

Should a perfectly active , taxpaying, self employed businessman on here go without lifesaving/lifeenhancement treatment because he lives in the wrong county??

Thats BS to me.

The issue is that we have quite a few people out there that CHOOSE not to be insured. If you want to spend that grand a month on bass boats, expensive cars or a nice house, that's the upside of living in a free society. Me- I pay for the insurance. But if you roll the dice and come up short, that's the deal you made.

The problem is, our compassion as a society reinforces the behavior. So a decent chunk of what I pay in premiums goes to pay for the hospital visit for the guy that spent his insurance premium on a weekend in Vegas. So our system rewards the individual with the irresponsible behavior.

So the retort is "why then not defeat the flawed system and allow one central processor to administer the whole thing and make it compulsory for everyone to pay?" Nice theory. But it has to practical flaws. First, no system exists that could be relied upon to administer it efficiently and cost-effectively. When they fix Social Security, get back to me on this new idea. Second, I don't believe it would survive a constitutional challenge.

I only wish I had a solution.

 

[Trim'd Up]

And Dumya, and bleck, and oreally....ad nauseum.

I think that it should be "live by the slur, die by the slur."

Change Jay's screen name to Gayboat and lock it.

:cheers2:

 

[Birdog]

Typical anti-gun rambling. What's your definition of an automatic weapon? I don't really see the need, or the demand for fully automatic weapons outside of military use, but I'm sure that's not what your talking about. I do use an "assault weapon" per the anti-guners definition for deer, coyote, ground hogs, praire dogs, and feral hogs on a regular basis. I don't see how a gun being black, having a detachable magazine, or a collapsible stock makes them more dangerous, or less use-able for hunting/target use.

I think alot of non gun owning people really dont know that automatic weapons have been banned in the USA for many years.
Like you said...They think any "evil" looking gun is an automatic.

 

[Chris]

Typical anti-gun rambling. What's your definition of an automatic weapon? I don't really see the need, or the demand for fully automatic weapons outside of military use, but I'm sure that's not what your talking about. I do use an "assault weapon" per the anti-guners definition for deer, coyote, ground hogs, praire dogs, and feral hogs on a regular basis. I don't see how a gun being black, having a detachable magazine, or a collapsible stock makes them more dangerous, or less use-able for hunting/target use.

I have a simpler argument.

It doesn't matter if it's useful or suitable for any purpose. It's our constitutional right to be able to own one. Just as we have many other rights- such as freedoms to speak, assemble, worship and so on.

 

[Ted]

Ted, I'm talking about the non-stop publicly voiced screeching of the faux news bobbleheads. Nazi-comparison is commonplace for them.

No one will support the hard core lefties in major media, but there are MORE than enough soft cores to make up for it.


When you use 'comparisons' about subjects such as privately owned guns you automatically lose all credibility with me. Sorry. I guess we need those automatic weapons for hunting those terrahist whitetails. And what aspect of genetic engineering are you referring to?


Really? Are there not a large number of people on the left that would be more than happy to take away ALL of the privately owned guns? As for genetic engineering, if we go to the fringe we have designer abortions on demand and cloning just for the sake of "science" is NO problem, after all with NO spiritual considerations we shouldn't worry about Xeroxing off a dozen Jays or so, right?


While we're on the subject of biology, let's talk about stem cell research. Your boy dumbya and his disciples opposed it on non fact-based RELIGIOUS principles. In the last year since Obama lifted the bans there have been numerous major breakthroughs. Imagine where we might be if we hadn't been stuck in the religious muck for eight years. :ack2:


Actually genetic research (mostly based right here in Maryland) is progressing past the whole stem cell idea on a daily basis. And I would suggest that if the far left was not so strident in their calls for abortion on demand, anywhere, at any point in the pregnancy, then the far right would have no voice on these matters. But once again we have the old "Camel's nose under the tent" driving the discussion. I personally am pro choice (shocking huh?) and wish both ends of the spectrum had no voice, but they feed each other. And I suspect if you were not pulled so hard by the likes of Kos and DU you would find very few arguments of mine you didn't agree with.

Your arguements hold no water, but as always, you seem content to sit smugly in your bubble.

Many of your issues with the conservatives here are based on your pre-conceptions and condescension. Think about that.